Snoopers Charter
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Useful link.
Summary: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/assets/files/campa...
Still dont really know what it really means in practice though; I guess that may be the point!
Summary: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/assets/files/campa...
Still dont really know what it really means in practice though; I guess that may be the point!
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The government is deluding itself, if it thinks this is going to be off any practicable use for security. 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the data stored will be trivial stuff.. Any ‘naughty’ websites stand out like a sore thumb, and if the government security agents can’t find/spot them, we’re all doomed anyway. Terrorists, or others up to no good, now they know of the surveillance, will just take extra measures not to get detected. And finally, if you want to keep it real secret you are going to do a Guy Fawkes, I suggest you write your plans on a piece of paper with a 1 time code, and post it!
robinessex said:
The government is deluding itself, if it thinks this is going to be off any practicable use for security. 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the data stored will be trivial stuff.. Any ‘naughty’ websites stand out like a sore thumb, and if the government security agents can’t find/spot them, we’re all doomed anyway. Terrorists, or others up to no good, now they know of the surveillance, will just take extra measures not to get detected. And finally, if you want to keep it real secret you are going to do a Guy Fawkes, I suggest you write your plans on a piece of paper with a 1 time code, and post it!
robinessex...... Your name is now on..... Ze list!dudleybloke said:
robinessex said:
The government is deluding itself, if it thinks this is going to be off any practicable use for security. 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the data stored will be trivial stuff.. Any ‘naughty’ websites stand out like a sore thumb, and if the government security agents can’t find/spot them, we’re all doomed anyway. Terrorists, or others up to no good, now they know of the surveillance, will just take extra measures not to get detected. And finally, if you want to keep it real secret you are going to do a Guy Fawkes, I suggest you write your plans on a piece of paper with a 1 time code, and post it!
robinessex...... Your name is now on..... Ze list!Ken Figenus said:
Guys, is this just about looking at people's web browsing searches and history and thus their activity on sites visited? If so no big deal for me - I don't think I posted 'will do it for £50 cash if you can help me evade tax' on PH anywhere
. The rest is mostly wasting time on Amazon or Facebook!
But do tell me that 'they' cant access my Dropbox folders content or read my actual Gmail message body content?
This won't help them to read your emails but they can always request that of Google and Google will normally comply: https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdata.... The rest is mostly wasting time on Amazon or Facebook!But do tell me that 'they' cant access my Dropbox folders content or read my actual Gmail message body content?
Much of this seems to be enshrining in law what they had already via PRISM (the Snowden leaks): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_... you could also argue that this is cost cutting as it pushed the collection and high level storage onto the ISPs
The mass of data is processed in a more advanced form of the tracking supermarkets already use on their own data: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102859/Ho...
I'd be worried that you can end up being put in a watch list incorrectly, there was a guy on Reddit that got put on the no fly list as he was searching and talking about Damascus Steel online.
It gets better:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/06/parallel_c...
TL;DR - if you are prosecuted for some sort of online wrong doing, and even if you are innocent, you are not allowed to question or challenge the "evidence" presented against you. So what's to stop them making stuff up?
This isn't even for use against terrorists or the like, this is starting to look like something the government can use to get rid of anyone that stands in their way. Can only hope that it falls foul of whatever legal challenges remain in its' path.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/06/parallel_c...
TL;DR - if you are prosecuted for some sort of online wrong doing, and even if you are innocent, you are not allowed to question or challenge the "evidence" presented against you. So what's to stop them making stuff up?
This isn't even for use against terrorists or the like, this is starting to look like something the government can use to get rid of anyone that stands in their way. Can only hope that it falls foul of whatever legal challenges remain in its' path.
8bit said:
It gets better:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/06/parallel_c...
TL;DR - if you are prosecuted for some sort of online wrong doing, and even if you are innocent, you are not allowed to question or challenge the "evidence" presented against you. So what's to stop them making stuff up?
This isn't even for use against terrorists or the like, this is starting to look like something the government can use to get rid of anyone that stands in their way. Can only hope that it falls foul of whatever legal challenges remain in its' path.
Most likely the first appeal will go via a closed session of the Investigatory Powers Tribunal: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/19/ipt_report... as the data collection tools and processes will be highly classified. I don't fancy the chances of anybody on appeal getting a favorable verdict from that court.http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/06/parallel_c...
TL;DR - if you are prosecuted for some sort of online wrong doing, and even if you are innocent, you are not allowed to question or challenge the "evidence" presented against you. So what's to stop them making stuff up?
This isn't even for use against terrorists or the like, this is starting to look like something the government can use to get rid of anyone that stands in their way. Can only hope that it falls foul of whatever legal challenges remain in its' path.
Why isn't it blinding obvious to the government that naughty people just won't use the net anymore in a way they can be detected. The only flaw in this whole shebang, is when a perfectly innocent web search comes up as naughty, as previously mentioned, because of a computer data error, or an interest has a double/wrong meaning.
robinessex said:
Why isn't it blinding obvious to the government that naughty people just won't use the net anymore in a way they can be detected. The only flaw in this whole shebang, is when a perfectly innocent web search comes up as naughty, as previously mentioned, because of a computer data error, or an interest has a double/wrong meaning.
Because what they really want is to be able to find dirt on anyone who says or does anything they disagree with.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff