Snoopers Charter

[768]

Their order page saves the number of people it claims have bought the 2 year deal today to a cookie.

Then if you load the page again it adds 7 to that number. And again. And again. Dodgy bds.

[All that jazz]

768 said:

Their order page saves the number of people it claims have bought the 2 year deal today to a cookie.

Then if you load the page again it adds 7 to that number. And again. And again. Dodgy bds.

I've just had a live chat discussion about this. They assured me they weren't lying about the purchases, 100% legit, until I pointed out what happens when you refresh the page over and over again. "Ah, that must be a glitch, we will look into it".



I did click the button to email the transcript so I could post it here in all its glory but unsurprisingly I'm still waiting for it to arrive despite having ended the live chat session some time ago.

I wouldn't buy their package anyway as they have no option to trial the servers for free in advance. Cyberghost have a 57% off deal on at the moment which I bought, came to £19 for the year iirc. Takes a bit of messing about to get the price to come up in £ though.

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Finally showed up.

PureVPN chat said:

Chat transcript

Amanda Page Thu, 12/08/16 11:47:19 pm UTC
Allow me to assist you with the Holiday Season Deals!

Visitor 11:47:19 pm
why are you lying about how many people have bought the 2 yr deal today?

Amanda Page 11:47:51 pm
Who is lying ?

Visitor 11:48:00 pm
you are, or your site is

Amanda Page 11:48:17 pm
It shows what is right.

Visitor 11:48:22 pm
really?

Amanda Page 11:48:31 pm
Yes.

Visitor 11:48:43 pm
You are being 100% honest with me here and not lying ?

Amanda Page 11:48:55 pm
Yes I`m .

Visitor 11:51:45 pm
So why does it say in the box to the left of the order page the number of people that have bought the 2 Year value deal today, yet when you refresh the page it jumps by 7 people, refresh it again 1 second later it jumps by another 7 people, refresh it 1 sec later it jumps by another 7 people ? You have 7 people buying the deal every second ? Seems legit ....

Amanda Page 11:52:17 pm
It must have been a glitch. Thank you for pointing it out. I will forward this to concern department.

Visitor 11:52:27 pm
LOL.

Amanda Page 11:52:38 pm
Thank you.

Visitor 11:52:55 pm
Nothing to do with artificially inflating the sales figures then.

Amanda Page 11:53:14 pm
Dont worry about it.
We will take care.
We appreciate it.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
Is there anything else I can help you with?

Visitor 11:53:35 pm
:-D

Amanda Page 11:53:51 pm
Nice talking to you


Duration: 7m 34s
Chat started on: https://www.purevpn.com/order

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[robinessex]

I can see a plethora of websites springing up to offer anonymous net usage. And has it not occurred to the stupid politicians, that poking their nose in other peoples business can be prevent if one is inclined to do it.

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robinessex said:

I can see a plethora of websites springing up to offer anonymous net usage. And has it not occurred to the stupid politicians, that poking their nose in other peoples business can be prevent if one is inclined to do it.

As mentioned earlier in the thread by someone else, it's all about having the power and control over people, nothing to do with terrorism nor the security of the country. They will know it can be relatively easily circumvented but they also know that 99.5% of the population either 1. don't know about the IPA, 2. don't care, 3. don't have the technical knowledge, or a combination of all three. That's still a fkload of people they're keeping tabs on which will probably satisfy them for now.

[tankplanker]

8bit said:

The point was about using another mail account to register with the cloud provider with instead of my gmail account, and the privacy-friendly mail provider being one that won't just roll over in the event that UK.gov comes asking.

They all roll over if the NSA comes knocking. Lavabit were an exception as they closed down as soon as the NSA got access. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit The problem is that you wouldn't know until its too late due the gagging orders that come with the warrant for your data.

I should caveat that with "this will never happen to the vast majority of users"

[8bit]

techguyone said:

In that case, the one I provided should work out just fine for you.

Yep, looks perfect - thanks for that.

tankplanker said:

hey all roll over if the NSA comes knocking. Lavabit were an exception as they closed down as soon as the NSA got access. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit The problem is that you wouldn't know until its too late due the gagging orders that come with the warrant for your data.

I should caveat that with "this will never happen to the vast majority of users"

So I'm highly unlikely to become the target of NSA investigation because I'm not doing anything illegal, I just don't want UK.gov having access to basically everything I or my family does online because quite simply it's none of their business.

On topic, so is the new law now in force, i.e. are all UK ISPs now logging everything their customers do and the government goons happily poking through it at will, or does this still have some more stages to go through before it can take effect? I think I read that it still has to pass through the ECHR?

[XslaneyX]

Been fascinating reading so far with all the info flying back and forth and such detail into setups etc.

Genuinely baffled but interesting nonetheless

[techguyone]

I'm not sure, hopefully there will be some announcement, it may depend on ISP though, it may take a while to implement.

[Tonsko]

It comes into force when the old one 'sunsets' (their words). I think it's 31st Dec/1st Jan.

[Jasandjules]

All that jazz said:

As mentioned earlier in the thread by someone else, it's all about having the power and control over people, nothing to do with terrorism nor the security of the country.

Of course not. It is about snooping into the business of those who speak out against the Govt. Little old man who keeps lodging FOI requests - snoop away.

Actual terrorists and those with real criminal intent will have the ability to hide it....

[Don]

Jasandjules said:

Actual terrorists and those with real criminal intent will have the ability to hide it....

Absolutely. It's not hard to circumvent all that logging if you can be arsed. Personally I don't give a st if GCHQ know what floats my boat on the kinky front but I absolutely oppose this dire legislation on principle.

If they keep it, it will be stolen. It is just a matter of time. And then what harm will it do? No telling. We know we can't trust government with our Tax information for goodness' sake. Left on a train with an unencrypted hard drive...Jesus wept.

[boxst]

Don said:

Absolutely. It's not hard to circumvent all that logging if you can be arsed. Personally I don't give a st if GCHQ know what floats my boat on the kinky front but I absolutely oppose this dire legislation on principle.

If they keep it, it will be stolen. It is just a matter of time. And then what harm will it do? No telling. We know we can't trust government with our Tax information for goodness' sake. Left on a train with an unencrypted hard drive...Jesus wept.

The problem is who else can see that information. My current employer before employing me wanted full access to my medical records, credit history and any other 'checking' they deemed necessary. It doesn't take a huge leap to suggest that they could also want to have access to your internet history. I don't think that my interest in speed knitting should be a show-stopper, but who knows? The person looking may prefer to crochet and just 'fail' me.

Plus what is legal now, may not be in the future. So you could (in theory) be automatically flagged if you had a previous demonstrable interest and kept an eye on.

[Tonsko]

Another strong argument about the data trove this may represent:

http://www.csoonline.com/article/3149713/security/...

[robinessex]

And I suppose we should just ignore the 1 Billion names from Yahoo now in the possession of hackers. Don’t worry folks, the politicians ensure us this will NEVER happen to you internet history !!!

[jmorgan]

No, you have it all wrong, the Minister for Loop Holes has said he knows someone at his club that was something in security in Nigeria. They went to the same school or something, that fellow is putting together a security package to make sure none of this happens. Minister for loops holes went on to say he did not have all the details at the moment cos his ex school chum had left the briefcase on the train but sure someone will hand it in.

[shalmaneser]

boxst said:

Don said:

Absolutely. It's not hard to circumvent all that logging if you can be arsed. Personally I don't give a st if GCHQ know what floats my boat on the kinky front but I absolutely oppose this dire legislation on principle.

If they keep it, it will be stolen. It is just a matter of time. And then what harm will it do? No telling. We know we can't trust government with our Tax information for goodness' sake. Left on a train with an unencrypted hard drive...Jesus wept.

The problem is who else can see that information. My current employer before employing me wanted full access to my medical records, credit history and any other 'checking' they deemed necessary. It doesn't take a huge leap to suggest that they could also want to have access to your internet history. I don't think that my interest in speed knitting should be a show-stopper, but who knows? The person looking may prefer to crochet and just 'fail' me.

Plus what is legal now, may not be in the future. So you could (in theory) be automatically flagged if you had a previous demonstrable interest and kept an eye on.

That seems a bit rich of a current employer; are they allowed to ask for medical records? What industry do you work in you you don't mind me asking?

Tonsko said:

Another strong argument about the data trove this may represent:

http://www.csoonline.com/article/3149713/security/...

robinessex said:

And I suppose we should just ignore the 1 Billion names from Yahoo now in the possession of hackers. Don’t worry folks, the politicians ensure us this will NEVER happen to you internet history !!!

Exactly. Sadly the politicians who legislated this clearly don't understand the implications of their actions. And when it does get leaked the blame will be pinned on the ISPs who no doubt don't want to hold all this sensitive data in the first place!

[Tonsko]

Ok, so this is to do with the Digital Economy act, but Twitter is likely to require 'age-verification', as is facebook and other social media:

TheyWorkForYou said:

Finally, I have a question for the Minister. I would like him to comment on what the expectations are for social media sites like Twitter, which can themselves host user-generated pornographic content. The expectations on commercial pornography websites are set out pretty clearly in Clause 15, but will the Minister please clarify how the Bill as drafted will impact on social media sites? Clause 22 starts to cover this with its reference to “ancillary service providers”, but in Clause 22(6) the reference is restricted to business activities so provided. Evidence from the Government to the Communications Select Committee on 29 October was as follows:

“Twitter is a user-generated uploading-content site. If there is pornography on Twitter, it will be considered covered under ancillary services”.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2016-12-13b.1142.0

Maybe people will give a st now, that their beloved facebook will require verification? Or will it be welcomed.

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Found one mildly annoying issue whilst using a VPN - paying for stuff online always results in a "sorry there was a problem with your payment" type error unless you switch to UK VPN server or turn off the VPN altogether. A heads up for any of you guys that have recently starting using one like me.

[anonymous-user]

Don't know if this article is any good but I found it interesting.

Not all VPN's protect you from Snoopers Charter but these will:

https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/not-a...