Snoopers Charter

[loose cannon]

Google farnborough spy planes there are several articles about it in the msm
Or maybe get down to Ellmoor flash and watch them take off and land, normally hear them buzzing overly house at around 01.00 to 2.30 am if I'm awake

[Defcon5]

And just what do you think these planes are doing?

[roachcoach]

loose cannon said:

It's just a bit of legislation to allow them to do what they have already been doing for years
If they want to spy on you they will do so regardless of any legal requiremnt or legislation.
Surely those planes flying in and out of farnborough and spying on the south east's mobile phone network
Will just carry on as per the norm

Not so much, it means that the data is only as safe as the sttest ISP.

I don't honestly think many people give a rats ass about MI5 having it, the problem is the vastly increased likelihood of loss/prime hacking target. Why just a couple of weeks ago Tesco bank was ripped a new one by hackers, if people honestly think they'd not target this then frankly their naivety knows little bounds.

I mean I'm sure no-one here has anything whatsoever to hide and would be quite comfortable with a full dump of their browsing history going public, right?

All it takes is one disgruntled employee and so many people will be so fked you wouldn't know where to begin.

[loose cannon]

I get that, but for me personally I don't really have anything of worth for hackers to take, I'm not a wealthy man
The only thing to my name is a few used cars, so I don't think I would be of much priority to a professional hacker
I'd probably be more of a drain on them tbh,either way there won't be any say in it for the likes of us so it's just futile worrying to much about it I'm guessing you must have a huge empire to worry about as you seem quite uptight about it all
Or you have a dodgy website history me I just check out, redtube and all the usual pron sites couldn't care less who knows
I'm 41 I'm a bit long in the tooth now to be embarrassed about watching prom

Edited by loose cannon on Tuesday 22 November 20:32

[roachcoach]

loose cannon said:

I get that, but for me personally I don't really have anything of worth for hackers to take, I'm not a wealthy man
The only thing to my name is a few used cars, so I don't think I would be of much priority to a professional hacker
I'd probably be more of a drain on them tbh,either way there won't be any say in it for the likes of us so it's just futile worrying to much about it I'm guessing you must have a huge empire to worry about as you seem quite uptight about it all
Or you have a dodgy website history me I just check out, redtube and all the usual pron sites couldn't care less who knows
I'm 41 I'm a bit long in the tooth now to be embarrassed about watching prom

Edited by loose cannon on Tuesday 22 November 20:32

You might be ok, but consider say:

Teens in a religious household looking at gay help/information, or birth control, or abortion.
Teachers who enjoy less than mainstream, but still perfectly legal porn would likely find themselves in an untenable position in short order
People who are researching divorce laws/seperation
People seeking help on domestic abuse issues

Although none of these are reason to condemn anyone to a reasonable person I wager there are significant numbers of people who would suffer greatly were this kind of thing revealed.

I mean that is just from the top of my head and far from extreme or unrealistic avenues. It doesn't even need to be blackmail or ransom of you; Ashley Madison was about the site, the users were collateral damage. People get too caught up in porn alone, it is not about that.

[andy_s]

roachcoach said:

loose cannon said:

It's just a bit of legislation to allow them to do what they have already been doing for years
If they want to spy on you they will do so regardless of any legal requiremnt or legislation.
Surely those planes flying in and out of farnborough and spying on the south east's mobile phone network
Will just carry on as per the norm

Not so much, it means that the data is only as safe as the sttest ISP.

I don't honestly think many people give a rats ass about MI5 having it, the problem is the vastly increased likelihood of loss/prime hacking target. Why just a couple of weeks ago Tesco bank was ripped a new one by hackers, if people honestly think they'd not target this then frankly their naivety knows little bounds.

I mean I'm sure no-one here has anything whatsoever to hide and would be quite comfortable with a full dump of their browsing history going public, right?

All it takes is one disgruntled employee and so many people will be so fked you wouldn't know where to begin.

I'd extend my dislike of it to encompass the potential misuse by government, which sounds a bit tin-foil hat but now we have a platform for potentially gathering pretty much all online data on anyone - who is to say to what use it may be put in the future? I'm doubly suspicious as the reasons for doing it (as set out by May last year) are pretty useless; like the ID card proposal - a knee jerk which appeared to do something, didn't in practise except to make the politicians look as if they were doing something and increase their authority.

Depends if you trust politicians I suppose...

[loose cannon]

To be honest fella I get were your going, but I just don't have enough hours in the day to worry about everyone else in the world or even in my own country, after all the life experiences that have happened in my shortish life span so far I tend to just live each day as it comes, don't get into det and try to be as good a person as I can, enjoy as many cars as I can afford,the rest is all just social media and news enragememt too to keep you on your toes and poison the brain, I try very hard to laugh at it all whilst still trying or taking as much of the info into my mind as is possible, I read most threads in np&e
Daily along with a few other sources of enlightenment but don't really post much as I'm a lazy poster and often post
Via my iphone which is not ideal and probably come across as a bit shop steward or little Englander
I wise man once told me the only person you can truly trust is your mother
Bit rubbish if your mother isn't that trustworthy

Edited by loose cannon on Tuesday 22 November 21:02

[roachcoach]

It's all good mate

[loose cannon]

roachcoach said:

It's all good mate

[All that jazz]

"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear!"

What's happened to all the site's lefties who have usually swooped in and trotted out that line within minutes of such a topic starting?

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[andy_s]

loose cannon said:

stuff

Fair one!

[Jasandjules]

All that jazz said:

"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear!"

What's happened to all the site's lefties who have usually swooped in and trotted out that line within minutes of such a topic starting?

I guess that means our MPs have a lot to hide.....

[hyperblue]

loose cannon said:

It's just a bit of legislation to allow them to do what they have already been doing for years

Sure, the Government always could snoop on an individual's internet use if they wanted, but it was supposed to be targeted. The concern is that this legislation requires the ISP to store data on all internet traffic regardless! ISP's have been notoriously bad at handling user data in the past and when it gets in the wrong hands (which sooner or later it will) it will be very bad news for all involved.

All that jazz said:

"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear!"

What's happened to all the site's lefties who have usually swooped in and trotted out that line within minutes of such a topic starting?

Not just lefties, this seems to have slipped under the radar of the press whilst everyone is too pre-occupied with Brexit / Trump.

[FredClogs]

All that jazz said:

"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear!"

What's happened to all the site's lefties who have usually swooped in and trotted out that line within minutes of such a topic starting?

Lefties?

In in the interests of full disclosure - I have nothing to hide which is why I fear this kind of government snooping.

[MikeT66]

roachcoach said:

loose cannon said:

I get that, but for me personally I don't really have anything of worth for hackers to take, I'm not a wealthy man
The only thing to my name is a few used cars, so I don't think I would be of much priority to a professional hacker
I'd probably be more of a drain on them tbh,either way there won't be any say in it for the likes of us so it's just futile worrying to much about it I'm guessing you must have a huge empire to worry about as you seem quite uptight about it all
Or you have a dodgy website history me I just check out, redtube and all the usual pron sites couldn't care less who knows
I'm 41 I'm a bit long in the tooth now to be embarrassed about watching prom

Edited by loose cannon on Tuesday 22 November 20:32

You might be ok, but consider say:

Teens in a religious household looking at gay help/information, or birth control, or abortion.
Teachers who enjoy less than mainstream, but still perfectly legal porn would likely find themselves in an untenable position in short order
People who are researching divorce laws/seperation
People seeking help on domestic abuse issues

Although none of these are reason to condemn anyone to a reasonable person I wager there are significant numbers of people who would suffer greatly were this kind of thing revealed.

I mean that is just from the top of my head and far from extreme or unrealistic avenues. It doesn't even need to be blackmail or ransom of you; Ashley Madison was about the site, the users were collateral damage. People get too caught up in porn alone, it is not about that.

100% roachcoach. Personally, I'm sick of the 'think of the children' and 'protection against terrorism' sh**e that is often spouted as a reason for this. At this rate, the people will need to be protected from the government. Speaking as a 'leftie', it is time the/any government were told in no uncertain terms that they are here to work for us, but I fear that time has passed.

[steveatesh]

It's not only hacking that is the problem with ths legislation, it's the sheer number of agencies that can access your data. Whilst the government and media pushed the National Security and child abuse meme (no idea why the media did not examine this legislation more closely) the legislation allows a wide variety of agencies and quangos to ask for your data.

This includes the local government, who can now quite happily ask for data on members of local community groups, People who ask for FIO requests, regular complainers or who ever else takes their fancy. And having worked alongside senior council officers in the past, I know they will do so.

Nothing whatsoever to do with security or child abusers, just people who are quite legitimately a pain in your local governments side.

So you can sit round a table with officers who know a whole ream more about you that you'd be comfortable with.

Personally I couldn't give a st about the real security organisations accessing my browser history, but the list of organsisations who can do this is far too big and not linked to security at all. Another click in the ratchet of state control as far as I'm concerned.

[esxste]

People should be very worried about the snoopers charter, not just for the political ramifications of any authorised agency knowing your web history, but mostly because of who is storing the that data.

In the real world its like the Goverment making everyone store their door keys in a cabinet at the end of the street, trusting a private company to guard it however they see fit. The better ones with have a couple burly men, tactical response teams on standby and all covered with CCTV. The cheaper ones charging £1.99 a month will probably just have a couple fake cameras pointed at it.


Also now incoming is the Digital Economies Bill. With a lovely amendment that requires ISP's to block pornographic websites that do not verify the age of the user. Because no kid ever has access to daddy's wallet.

We're run by Luddite idiots, desperately trying to control what they can't.

Edited by esxste on Wednesday 23 November 10:40

[anonymous-user]

Jasandjules said:

All that jazz said:

"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear!"

What's happened to all the site's lefties who have usually swooped in and trotted out that line within minutes of such a topic starting?

I guess that means our MPs have a lot to hide.....

I think we already know that but surely this is the point. What's right for them is right for the rest of us.

[Tonsko]

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