Snoopers Charter
Discussion
glazbagun said:
Digital Economy bill on it's way now. In 9 months any legal porn site will require you to somehow prove your age or else risk being blocked and having their payment provider leaned on to cut their funding. How to prove one's age has yet to be determined, however. Anyone would think they haven't thought it through!
Maximum penalty for piracy has been raised to ten years, too. So half of the F1 and Game of Thrones viewers on here will be f
ked! 
Anyone want to guess how long before they try to make VPN's either illegal or require a licence?
The authorities have stated that they won't be deliberately targeting the consumers of illegal streams via Kodi etc, but will be going after the suppliers of the 'fully loaded sticks/boxes', the people who distribute the software, and the ones who host the content, but have said clearly that they can't guarantee that ordinary users won't be 'swept up' in their operations and end up in court.Maximum penalty for piracy has been raised to ten years, too. So half of the F1 and Game of Thrones viewers on here will be f
ked! Anyone want to guess how long before they try to make VPN's either illegal or require a licence?
Edited to add: As for the porn thing. It's all well and good allowing access to 'legal' porn sites after you prove your age, but how on earth are they going to ensure the content on the legal sites is actually legal. The whole thing seems totally pointless.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 17th July 21:42
NoIP said:
Does anyone here use a VPN provider other than Cyberghost? Any recommendations? (not Streisand, thanks)
I'm coming to the end of my term with Cyberghost and their actual VPN service has been good, but I begrudge paying extra for more than one device and that really annoys me when I use my laptop as I have to queue to use their free service and the constant ad pop-ups with offers piss me off no end. I am aware I can disconnect the VPN account from my primary device and use it on my laptop, but it involves going into the settings each time to re-assign the device which is also annoying.
Wondering if there's a better option out there for the same money which will allow more than 1 device? I mostly connect through Holland, France and Germany but need UK as well for some sites.
I can recommend Airvpn, which allows 3 connection per account. Downside is that outside of the yearly black Friday sale it's quite expensive, but the service is excellent.I'm coming to the end of my term with Cyberghost and their actual VPN service has been good, but I begrudge paying extra for more than one device and that really annoys me when I use my laptop as I have to queue to use their free service and the constant ad pop-ups with offers piss me off no end. I am aware I can disconnect the VPN account from my primary device and use it on my laptop, but it involves going into the settings each time to re-assign the device which is also annoying.
Wondering if there's a better option out there for the same money which will allow more than 1 device? I mostly connect through Holland, France and Germany but need UK as well for some sites.
An added bonus for those on BT Fibre in the south is that the London servers are only 10ms away; likely in the same data centre BT use or at least very close by.
glazbagun said:
Digital Economy bill on it's way now. In 9 months any legal porn site will require you to somehow prove your age or else risk being blocked and having their payment provider leaned on to cut their funding. How to prove one's age has yet to be determined, however. Anyone would think they haven't thought it through!
Maximum penalty for piracy has been raised to ten years, too. So half of the F1 and Game of Thrones viewers on here will be fked!
Anyone want to guess how long before they try to make VPN's either illegal or require a licence?
Quoting myself here, but Russia has now joined China in banning vpn's.Maximum penalty for piracy has been raised to ten years, too. So half of the F1 and Game of Thrones viewers on here will be f
ked! Anyone want to guess how long before they try to make VPN's either illegal or require a licence?
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/31/china_rus...
DaveCWK said:
I can recommend Airvpn, which allows 3 connection per account. Downside is that outside of the yearly black Friday sale it's quite expensive, but the service is excellent.
An added bonus for those on BT Fibre in the south is that the London servers are only 10ms away; likely in the same data centre BT use or at least very close by.
I use Goldenfrog VyprVPN. It costs, about $15 a month, but you get some of the best newsgroup access on the planet included - I get it through GiganewsAn added bonus for those on BT Fibre in the south is that the London servers are only 10ms away; likely in the same data centre BT use or at least very close by.
No limits, no ads, 2 devices. 70 server locations, and no perceptible degradation in performance. Whenever I am in a government building I make a point of terminating in Moscow. Only been questioned once about it....!
Apologies if more recent threads elsewhere, consultation going on for a few more days if anyone wants to comment:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/invest...
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https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/invest...
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andy_s said:
The whole thing is like a terrible joke.Only a government could come up with something so bad and poorly thought out.
techguyone said:
Once this goes in place, next stop ban all VPN's for private individuals I reckon.
They can ban it, but practically they'll never be able to prevent it.For example, one way is to encapsulate your VPN traffic using something like stunnel. Say you're using OpenVPN - OpenVPN uses port 1194, which is a non-standard port. This gives the game away a little, whilst they cannot see the details of the data being transmitted, they can see the originator, destination and port. Thus, it's pretty obvious that anyone transmitting over those ports are probably using VPNs.
This is where stunnel comes in. You establish the tunnel first, and your VPN traffic is hidden within the tunnel. To the outsider, it simply appears to be normal HTTPS traffic over port 443.
Say that pistonheads' IP address is 1.2.3.4, by using the forums you will be sending and receiving data to 1.2.3.4:443 (port 443). PH could host stunnel/openVPN, and the VPN traffic (encapsulated with stunnel) would be indistinguishable from normal traffic to the outsider.
Hopefully that makes sense
I don't think I've explained it that well!amusingduck said:
techguyone said:
Once this goes in place, next stop ban all VPN's for private individuals I reckon.
They can ban it, but practically they'll never be able to prevent it.For example, one way is to encapsulate your VPN traffic using something like stunnel. Say you're using OpenVPN - OpenVPN uses port 1194, which is a non-standard port. This gives the game away a little, whilst they cannot see the details of the data being transmitted, they can see the originator, destination and port. Thus, it's pretty obvious that anyone transmitting over those ports are probably using VPNs.
This is where stunnel comes in. You establish the tunnel first, and your VPN traffic is hidden within the tunnel. To the outsider, it simply appears to be normal HTTPS traffic over port 443.
Say that pistonheads' IP address is 1.2.3.4, by using the forums you will be sending and receiving data to 1.2.3.4:443 (port 443). PH could host stunnel/openVPN, and the VPN traffic (encapsulated with stunnel) would be indistinguishable from normal traffic to the outsider.
Hopefully that makes sense
I don't think I've explained it that well!I expect when you go onto jihad’r us or wherever, the first thing will be about circumventing these restrictions. Perhaps they’ll even use your post as a guide.
Maybe we’ll just download apps which will do it all automatically like they do in the Middle East, or I used to have on my iPad before Netflix and iplayer started blocking them. What’s certain though is that these rules will only catch the most stupid criminals and inconvenience millions,
Presumably all these new restrictions are supposed to stop people doing bad stuff. Inconveniencing me or making people feel uncomfortable about looking at pornography or just generally a bit more snooped on isn’t achieving anything. Unless of course it’s actually about this stuff and it’s just another way or gathering more information about us.
Perhaps it’s just paranoia about more intrusion into our lives. It does seem though that these terror laws designed for our own benefit etc, end up being used by some council to snoop on our bins or parking or eject protestors from a party conference. The irony is of course is that it’s the MPs themselves that seem to be needing restrictions on their internet usage not us,
If terrorism results in all this going on, they’ve won. We’re already changing our way of life to help protect us. These intrusive laws rarely get scaled back as the threat level reduces though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 16th January 08:23
CoolHands said:
Haha who’s going to put all their personal info into some st insecure 3rd party provider to get age verification?
ID fraud anyone?
This is my main concern too. I don't mind if you have to prove you are over 18 to access certain websites - I do mind having to provide personal details to a 3rd party I know nothing about. t insecure 3rd party provider to get age verification?ID fraud anyone?
Surely if you have age verified with an ISP why should you have to do it again on a site by site basis?
El stovey said:
Presumably all these new restrictions are supposed to stop people doing bad stuff
According to the government, all these changes are necessary to "Prevent children accessing pornography on the grounds that such content could distress them or harm their development".So there you go. Large scale disruption, huge problems for smaller ISP's, a complex and expensive new role for the British Board of Film Classification, and numerous other issues and risks as outlined in the article by The Register, all to stop a teenager looking at some smut.
It's all laughable of course, if anyone will find a way round the restrictions, its kids. Especially when they want to look at rude things.
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