Snoopers Charter

[Some Gump]

shalmaneser said:

That's the point isn't it? 'extreme' porn? Blackmail material.

What is the definition of "extreme porn"? Is it like extreme ironing, but in the buff?

Do they have a list of "beyond the line chief!" grot? Thing is if they do, not only are there more pervy things on the net than there are things (rule 34), if the list is discrete you'll end up with japanese tentacle porn because tentacles weren't on that list*.

• Citation might be needed. The bloke who I used to work with who knew everything said it was a fact that tentacle porn was censor loophole. The same bloke claimed to have had a punchup with a rockstar in a hotel as well, so it may be utter fiction....

[shalmaneser]

Some Gump said:

shalmaneser said:

That's the point isn't it? 'extreme' porn? Blackmail material.

What is the definition of "extreme porn"? Is it like extreme ironing, but in the buff?

Do they have a list of "beyond the line chief!" grot? Thing is if they do, not only are there more pervy things on the net than there are things (rule 34), if the list is discrete you'll end up with japanese tentacle porn because tentacles weren't on that list*.

• Citation might be needed. The bloke who I used to work with who knew everything said it was a fact that tentacle porn was censor loophole. The same bloke claimed to have had a punchup with a rockstar in a hotel as well, so it may be utter fiction....

There is a list:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/23...

[Oakey]

Some Gump said:

What is the definition of "extreme porn"? Is it like extreme ironing, but in the buff?

Do they have a list of "beyond the line chief!" grot? Thing is if they do, not only are there more pervy things on the net than there are things (rule 34), if the list is discrete you'll end up with japanese tentacle porn because tentacles weren't on that list*.

• Citation might be needed. The bloke who I used to work with who knew everything said it was a fact that tentacle porn was censor loophole. The same bloke claimed to have had a punchup with a rockstar in a hotel as well, so it may be utter fiction....

Do keep up

[caelite]

768 said:

ReaderScars said:

If you don't like the sound of this, donate to Liberty and help them challenge it legally.

https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaignin...

I'm in two minds about opposing this, even though it's obviously undesirable legislation.

Anything ISPs can trivially log is probably so overt it's worth obscuring anyway. Encouraging an uptake of VPNs, Tor, etc. and even generating duff data to render the data useless is perhaps a better route.

The problem is:
A. The masses of non-technically minded people wont be able to/care enough to use a VPN/Tor meaning those of us that do will still stick out like a sore thumb when examining web traffic "Oh look theirs someone downloading ~100gb a month from a single IP in Seychelles, lets add them to a list and investigate them anyway.". It is already illegal to withhold encryption keys from the courts so with a little creative lawyering courts could use this legislation to cause massive inconvenience to VPN users.

B. The next piece of legislation coming will be blocking/criminalisng VPN providing and informative websites, meaning those who have not already uptaken a VPN will have difficulty aquiring one. They already tried to push this through with the current legislation with broad bans on data encryption however thankfully they where informed of its unviability, but it showed clear intention of what they want to do once they aquire the technical know how.

C. With the above point it still sets a dangerous precident in law that needs to be stopped before it escalates, the bill overreaches into far more than just monitoring internet traffic, its mandating private companies to store and distribute my data without my will. Data is an asset which should not be given out unwillingly. It also opens the door to all sorts of nefarious 3rd parties who could aquire and misuse peoples data.

[BlackLabel]

The organisations that can see your entire online browsing history under this new bill:


Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/s...

[All that jazz]

[robinessex]

VPN

Anyone have any knowledge of this

https://www.keezel.co/

[jmorgan]

BlackLabel said:

The organisations that can see your entire online browsing history under this new bill:


Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/s...

I should be shocked but.......

Anyone see the story in Sheffield where the council used some OTT power to get a few trees cut down in a street?

That lot and more coming to you soon. OTT use of power, councils, what can go wrong.

[bitchstewie]

robinessex said:

VPN

Anyone have any knowledge of this

https://www.keezel.co/

Their website is deliciously vague about where your traffic (and information) is actually passing through.

[Don]

Just get a Tor Browser. Job jobbed.

This is so pointless. All they've done is create an incentive for ordinary people to up their game when it comes to cyber security. This will soon become standard internet behaviour and the whole problem just moves on. Nothing achieved.

[Don]

bhstewie said:

robinessex said:

VPN

Anyone have any knowledge of this

https://www.keezel.co/

Their website is deliciously vague about where your traffic (and information) is actually passing through.

They've probably done a deal with someone like hidemyass.com. They've productised the service quite well, though. You don't need to know very much to use the little box.

[Goaty Bill 2]

steveatesh said:

It's not only hacking that is the problem with ths legislation, it's the sheer number of agencies that can access your data. Whilst the government and media pushed the National Security and child abuse meme (no idea why the media did not examine this legislation more closely) the legislation allows a wide variety of agencies and quangos to ask for your data.

This includes the local government, who can now quite happily ask for data on members of local community groups, People who ask for FIO requests, regular complainers or who ever else takes their fancy. And having worked alongside senior council officers in the past, I know they will do so.

Nothing whatsoever to do with security or child abusers, just people who are quite legitimately a pain in your local governments side.

So you can sit round a table with officers who know a whole ream more about you that you'd be comfortable with.

Personally I couldn't give a st about the real security organisations accessing my browser history, but the list of organsisations who can do this is far too big and not linked to security at all. Another click in the ratchet of state control as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly right IMO.
It's the range of entities that will now be able to access your history, that would have otherwise have had no such opportunity.
I have, as I am sure many others have, come across some real nutters who would quickly abuse their new found powers for 'the general good' as they see it.

[zygalski]

Some Gump said:

What is the definition of "extreme porn"?

Anything that doesn't degrade women?

[Goaty Bill 2]

zygalski said:

Some Gump said:

What is the definition of "extreme porn"?

Anything that doesn't degrade women?

Ask any feminist.
All porn, excluding gay male porn, degrades women.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone has found a way to claim 'gay male porn' also degrades women in some way.

[CoolHands]

BlackLabel said:

The organisations that can see your entire online browsing history under this new bill:


Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/s...

Anything we say could do us in looking at that list. I'm a teacher and I say some st on here half of which I do to be provocative not that I necessarily believe. E.g. If I say about criminals string 'em up; or all teenagers are vile argumentative s I hate them or something, I would be suspended and hung out to dry. I might not really believe that, and I might be 100% professional, but that won't save me.

Speeding? I love it I speed every day. If I ever knock someone over no doubt it will be proved I am a reckless poor driver by own admission.

[All that jazz]

CoolHands said:

Anything we say could do us in looking at that list. I'm a teacher and I say some st on here half of which I do to be provocative not that I necessarily believe. E.g. If I say about criminals string 'em up; or all teenagers are vile argumentative s I hate them or something, I would be suspended and hung out to dry. I might not really believe that, and I might be 100% professional, but that won't save me.

VPN for you too! You'd be foolish not to given your career hangs on stuff you say.

[Oakey]

They'll just ban VPN's next. Tough st if you have a legitimate* use for them.

• whereby you aren't trying to avoid state surveillance

[catso]

And people want to trust this government to "take back control"...

[Jasandjules]

catso said:

And people want to trust this government to "take back control"...

Only an idiot trusts their Govt.

[Randy Winkman]

ash73 said:

80% of people on this forum voted Tory, and this was always part of their manifesto; it was the Lib Dems that opposed it when there was a coalition. And now you're all complaining.

They live in a parallel world where only Labour does stuff like this.