Tax avoiders to be deliberately bankrupted.....?..
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Get Karter said:
Bob Geldof mentioned as one of the 'tax avoiders' in this scheme too, according to BBC News website.
I never realised he was in the same wealth bracket as the others mentioned. Thought his music career was short and unspectacular....
Saint Bob not 'paying his fair share'? Surely not.I never realised he was in the same wealth bracket as the others mentioned. Thought his music career was short and unspectacular....
Get Karter said:
Bob Geldof mentioned as one of the 'tax avoiders' in this scheme too, according to BBC News website.
I never realised he was in the same wealth bracket as the others mentioned. Thought his music career was short and unspectacular....
He made a lot out of a TV production company, I believe. I never realised he was in the same wealth bracket as the others mentioned. Thought his music career was short and unspectacular....
fblm said:
Saint Bob not 'paying his fair share'? Surely not.
Didn't he (and a few other pop stars) demand that our govt bring in loads of Syrian families and he would let them live in his south west house while he lived in his London flat. He didn't live up to that claim at all in fact nor did anyony else.
Had he done so and continued to do so then I'd have a fair amount of respect for him however he BS all the time and now it turns out he is one of many wealthy not paying towards the poorest in our country .....
Get Karter said:
Bob Geldof mentioned as one of the 'tax avoiders' in this scheme too, according to BBC News website.
I never realised he was in the same wealth bracket as the others mentioned. Thought his music career was short and unspectacular....
He's worth over £30m according to the Sunday times richlist. I never realised he was in the same wealth bracket as the others mentioned. Thought his music career was short and unspectacular....
BlackLabel said:
He's worth over £30m according to the Sunday times richlist.
Yet doesn't want to pay his way legally under our tax system. He is taking from the poorest in society lies about housing Syrian families - and leverages a moral high ground from a long time ago yet does the opposite personally. Shame.
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
Summary - You asked your accountant to lie. She said no. You can't understand why she wouldn't go along with your lie for a small amount that could ruin her professionallyif found out but that means you are being persecuted. #thestruggleisrealI was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
I think she and you could be libel to prosecution as its fraud, you did not use your car for work. Minor maybe, but would you risk your job to help someone for only a few quid.I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
Why would someone help you commit fraud? And ruin his/ livelihood in the process. I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
That's not a grey area at all it's black and white. I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
You asked her to try to put through a fraudulent tax return. Why would she risk her qualification, business, reputation to save you a few £?
I get that you'd want naturally want the most £ and lowest tax possible but it has to be legal. Trust me you do not ever want a full on tax investigation going back 7 years....
Welshbeef said:
That's not a grey area at all it's black and white.
You asked her to try to put through a fraudulent tax return. Why would she risk her qualification, business, reputation to save you a few £?
I get that you'd want naturally want the most £ and lowest tax possible but it has to be legal. Trust me you do not ever want a full on tax investigation going back 7 years....
20 years. You asked her to try to put through a fraudulent tax return. Why would she risk her qualification, business, reputation to save you a few £?
I get that you'd want naturally want the most £ and lowest tax possible but it has to be legal. Trust me you do not ever want a full on tax investigation going back 7 years....
Alpinestars said:
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
Why would someone help you commit fraud? And ruin his/ livelihood in the process. I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
A neighbour of mine was investigated by HMRC. It cost him back taxes, it cost him the charge for HM's time to go through his accounts and it hurt his business. What was disclosed was, according to him, minor irregularities, running into a few hundreds. His lawyer - more cost - reckoned he was lucky not to be prosecuted.
So I went for an accountant who is by the book. I give all correct details and am honest about what I do. I therefore pay my full wack. The reason is, of course, that I'm a little guy, even littler last year, so HMRC would not be interested in giving me the chance to pay just a fraction of what I owe. They save that for the big companies.
So I went for an accountant who is by the book. I give all correct details and am honest about what I do. I therefore pay my full wack. The reason is, of course, that I'm a little guy, even littler last year, so HMRC would not be interested in giving me the chance to pay just a fraction of what I owe. They save that for the big companies.
Derek Smith said:
A neighbour of mine was investigated by HMRC. It cost him back taxes, it cost him the charge for HM's time to go through his accounts and it hurt his business. What was disclosed was, according to him, minor irregularities, running into a few hundreds. His lawyer - more cost - reckoned he was lucky not to be prosecuted.
So I went for an accountant who is by the book. I give all correct details and am honest about what I do. I therefore pay my full wack. The reason is, of course, that I'm a little guy, even littler last year, so HMRC would not be interested in giving me the chance to pay just a fraction of what I owe. They save that for the big companies.
HMRC try and ensure that all individuals and companies pay what they owe - of course that doesn't stop other people suggesting that large companies should pay something other than what the rules state they owe!So I went for an accountant who is by the book. I give all correct details and am honest about what I do. I therefore pay my full wack. The reason is, of course, that I'm a little guy, even littler last year, so HMRC would not be interested in giving me the chance to pay just a fraction of what I owe. They save that for the big companies.
sidicks said:
HMRC try and ensure that all individuals and companies pay what they owe - of course that doesn't stop other people suggesting that large companies should pay something other than what the rules state they owe!
No one is suggesting they should pay more. Just what they owe. It is easy to go after the small fry. When they go for the big fish HMRC makes a calculation as to cost/income. If it costs them too much to pursue the debt, they'll accept an offer. It goes on. You can't have missed it, surely.
Derek Smith said:
No one is suggesting they should pay more. Just what they owe.
Plenty of people do just that. You can't have missed it, surely?Derek Smith said:
It is easy to go after the small fry. When they go for the big fish HMRC makes a calculation as to cost/income. If it costs them too much to pursue the debt, they'll accept an offer.
It goes on. You can't have missed it, surely.
HMRC tend to accept an offer where there is some dispute as to whether tax is owed or not and it is in the interests of both parties to agree a compromise.It goes on. You can't have missed it, surely.
Derek Smith said:
sidicks said:
HMRC try and ensure that all individuals and companies pay what they owe - of course that doesn't stop other people suggesting that large companies should pay something other than what the rules state they owe!
No one is suggesting they should pay more. Just what they owe. It is easy to go after the small fry. When they go for the big fish HMRC makes a calculation as to cost/income. If it costs them too much to pursue the debt, they'll accept an offer. It goes on. You can't have missed it, surely.
Large companies pay what they owe. There may be discussion between the HMRC and a company as to the meaning of certain legislation which would affect what is due. Pursuing the disagreement through the courts will be expensive and time consuming. There may then be an agreement between HMRC and the company whereby the company changes the way it does something so as to remove the disagreement.
I have never heard of HMRC not pursuing a debt which is due.
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
If you'd come to my firm, you'd have received the same response. Maybe you should use your old 'dodgy' accountant in future, instead of expecting someone to jeapardise their livelihood to help you cheat the tax system?I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
I was investigated by HMRC some years ago for a stupid mistake I made on my tax return. When I say stupid, it was me making an assumption and not getting professional advice.
The investigation was done professionally and fairly - HMRC accepted that mine was an honest and stupid mistake rather than a conscious attempt at evasion - but I still needed professional help and a few rolls of toilet paper to get through it.
Never again. Get a tax advisor and play by the rules unless you want a very expensive colonic irrigation.
The investigation was done professionally and fairly - HMRC accepted that mine was an honest and stupid mistake rather than a conscious attempt at evasion - but I still needed professional help and a few rolls of toilet paper to get through it.
Never again. Get a tax advisor and play by the rules unless you want a very expensive colonic irrigation.
everyeggabird said:
I have just tried a different company do my tax return. Talk about holier than holy, 100% everything by the book.
I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss fking perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.
It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
So let me get this straight, you tried to do a fraudulent Tax return, and it is the Accountant who is wrong?I was on two jobs in the centre of Manchester for 12 months, I decided to catch the bus and it saved a years worth of wear and tear on the car sitting in traffic, endless cold starts etc etc etc.
BUT, I did save all my fuel receipts for the year for private use and included a couple of decent bills for jobs I had done on the car.
Now I said to the tax woman 'I have used public transport for this tax year but I have these receipts for fuel etc. Which will bring me the better return?
'Oh you have told me now that you used public transport, we will have to go with that.'
I tried to argue that the whole point of me catching a bus for the last year was to save/make some extra money, just calculate which will get me more money out of the tax man.
She wasn't having any of it. The amount I was due to get back was a joke, lowest amount ever.
I have been most unhappy with the service provided by the 'miss f
king perfect' accountant woman. There was no way she would have done anything wrong, all the receipts were genuine.It just shows the ordinary man in the street gets away with nothing.
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