Man killed because his cruise control wouldn't switch off!
Discussion
motco said:
Don't know about your handbrake but mine is a poor substitute for a strong push on the pedal!
Pulling the electronic park brake on a modern vwag car will get you 0.8g deceleration which is more than a lot of people would achieve in an emergency surprisingly. (Despite typically 1g decel being achievable)CDP said:
FWIW said:
Zod said:
I don't believe there is a single car on the market now or in the past thirty years on which the accelerator pedal is moved by the cruise control.
I had a 1993 Granada Scorpio which did this...Zod clearly started driving after DBW became the norm and thought that all cars since the year dot were the same
It doesn't make him wrong - he just hasn't driven enough cars from within the last 30 years to form a complete view
B'stard Child said:
CDP said:
FWIW said:
Zod said:
I don't believe there is a single car on the market now or in the past thirty years on which the accelerator pedal is moved by the cruise control.
I had a 1993 Granada Scorpio which did this...Zod clearly started driving after DBW became the norm and thought that all cars since the year dot were the same
It doesn't make him wrong - he just hasn't driven enough cars from within the last 30 years to form a complete view
It's not Zod that's wrong, he clearly employs chauffeurs who are wrong.
When one includes Carney as a fellow shopper at Jeroboams, it's inconceivable to believe one would be expected to drive, be it to Jeroboams or Harrods
CDP said:
FWIW said:
Zod said:
I don't believe there is a single car on the market now or in the past thirty years on which the accelerator pedal is moved by the cruise control.
I had a 1993 Granada Scorpio which did this...
don'tbesilly said:
B'stard Child said:
CDP said:
FWIW said:
Zod said:
I don't believe there is a single car on the market now or in the past thirty years on which the accelerator pedal is moved by the cruise control.
I had a 1993 Granada Scorpio which did this...Zod clearly started driving after DBW became the norm and thought that all cars since the year dot were the same
It doesn't make him wrong - he just hasn't driven enough cars from within the last 30 years to form a complete view
It's not Zod that's wrong, he clearly employs chauffeurs who are wrong.
When one includes Carney as a fellow shopper at Jeroboams, it's inconceivable to believe one would be expected to drive, be it to Jeroboams or Harrods
k let him in if the only thing he knows is based on crap info from his chauffeurjesus this forum is going to hell......
ashleyman said:
I've tried this in my Golf which is a DSG.
If you're accelerating, you can knock the car into Neutral with the DSG selector and the revs will just rise as it's not in gear.
If you're accelerating and you press the brake pedal at the same time, the brake overrides the accelerator and you slow down.
If you're on cruise control and you press the accelerator, the car will go faster, then when you let off the accelerator the car will gradually drop the speed to the cruise speed you had set.
If you're on cruise and press the brake the cruise control will de-activate.
I haven't tried being in cruise and knocking the car into Neutral as I didn't want to break anything.
I've also been told if you hold down the Start/Stop button in a keyless car it will cut the engine. Obviously doing this will also cut the power steering but not engage the steering lock.
Seems to me like if this wasn't a covered up suicide attempt or a genuine fault with the car's systems then he panicked and couldn't regain control of the car because of mental block.
Very sorry situation for his family though.
My GTI was dsg.If you're accelerating, you can knock the car into Neutral with the DSG selector and the revs will just rise as it's not in gear.
If you're accelerating and you press the brake pedal at the same time, the brake overrides the accelerator and you slow down.
If you're on cruise control and you press the accelerator, the car will go faster, then when you let off the accelerator the car will gradually drop the speed to the cruise speed you had set.
If you're on cruise and press the brake the cruise control will de-activate.
I haven't tried being in cruise and knocking the car into Neutral as I didn't want to break anything.
I've also been told if you hold down the Start/Stop button in a keyless car it will cut the engine. Obviously doing this will also cut the power steering but not engage the steering lock.
Seems to me like if this wasn't a covered up suicide attempt or a genuine fault with the car's systems then he panicked and couldn't regain control of the car because of mental block.
Very sorry situation for his family though.
If you put it in N on cruise it just deactivates..
xjay1337 said:
ashleyman said:
I've tried this in my Golf which is a DSG.
If you're accelerating, you can knock the car into Neutral with the DSG selector and the revs will just rise as it's not in gear.
If you're accelerating and you press the brake pedal at the same time, the brake overrides the accelerator and you slow down.
If you're on cruise control and you press the accelerator, the car will go faster, then when you let off the accelerator the car will gradually drop the speed to the cruise speed you had set.
If you're on cruise and press the brake the cruise control will de-activate.
I haven't tried being in cruise and knocking the car into Neutral as I didn't want to break anything.
I've also been told if you hold down the Start/Stop button in a keyless car it will cut the engine. Obviously doing this will also cut the power steering but not engage the steering lock.
Seems to me like if this wasn't a covered up suicide attempt or a genuine fault with the car's systems then he panicked and couldn't regain control of the car because of mental block.
Very sorry situation for his family though.
My GTI was dsg.If you're accelerating, you can knock the car into Neutral with the DSG selector and the revs will just rise as it's not in gear.
If you're accelerating and you press the brake pedal at the same time, the brake overrides the accelerator and you slow down.
If you're on cruise control and you press the accelerator, the car will go faster, then when you let off the accelerator the car will gradually drop the speed to the cruise speed you had set.
If you're on cruise and press the brake the cruise control will de-activate.
I haven't tried being in cruise and knocking the car into Neutral as I didn't want to break anything.
I've also been told if you hold down the Start/Stop button in a keyless car it will cut the engine. Obviously doing this will also cut the power steering but not engage the steering lock.
Seems to me like if this wasn't a covered up suicide attempt or a genuine fault with the car's systems then he panicked and couldn't regain control of the car because of mental block.
Very sorry situation for his family though.
If you put it in N on cruise it just deactivates..
Now just need someone to be willing to see what happens when you press the STOP button on the car whilst driving!
motco said:
Don't know about your handbrake but mine is a poor substitute for a strong push on the pedal!
A strong push on the pedal aught to have brought it to a stop without any drama, i would have expected this was suggested some time early on in the conversation, what is missing from the story is why this didn't happen / didn't work but what ever the reason, (broken hydraulics / broken pedal / missing feet / what ever).But what ever the reason the logical next step to trying to stop an out of control after unsuccessfully trying to cut the engine power and using the primary brakes, is to try the other brake.
ashleyman said:
Good to know. Thanks!
Now just need someone to be willing to see what happens when you press the STOP button on the car whilst driving!
Dunno, never tried. I imagine it would cut the engine but leave ignition on just like turning the ignition key off would do.Now just need someone to be willing to see what happens when you press the STOP button on the car whilst driving!
Dunno why you don't just try it yourself. I tried electronic handbrake at 70mph once. i had hoped for many skids but i ended up with a bong of disapproval as the computer said no.
xjay1337 said:
i had hoped for many skids but i ended up with a bong of disapproval as the computer said no.
I am definitely not the man for the job with my current setup but when I was a kid we'd use an old airfield as a bit of a training ground. There's got to be a PHer who can get onto an actual test track of some sort when quiet and try some of these at 10 or 20 mph? ging84 said:
The other bit i don't get is how was he on the phone for 8 minutes before anyone discussed pulling on the handbrake?
Think it's in the article that he didn't want to do that in case he crashed?I'm torn between him having a complete brain fart for 10 minutes and not realising his actions were causing the issues, or a suicide. But the 'logical' way of suicide would be to call 30 seconds before the crash, 8 minutes is an awfully long time but then again I've never been in the mindset of someone who wants to take their own life.
Just can't see mechanical failure causing this, even deliberate sabotage.
The report I read said that some data was recovered from the car (from the same system that controls airbags?) indicating that the throttle was down and the brake was not pressed.
If so, sounds to me he just panicked and pressed harder and harder on the throttle, thinking it was the brake.
If so, sounds to me he just panicked and pressed harder and harder on the throttle, thinking it was the brake.
FunkyNige said:
ging84 said:
The other bit i don't get is how was he on the phone for 8 minutes before anyone discussed pulling on the handbrake?
Think it's in the article that he didn't want to do that in case he crashed?I'm torn between him having a complete brain fart for 10 minutes and not realising his actions were causing the issues, or a suicide. But the 'logical' way of suicide would be to call 30 seconds before the crash, 8 minutes is an awfully long time but then again I've never been in the mindset of someone who wants to take their own life.
Just can't see mechanical failure causing this, even deliberate sabotage.
But as been said, we will never know, unless another one suffers the same fate God forbid.
Ari said:
AdeTuono said:
Should we have a separate thread for 'Does an accelerator pedal move when under cruise control?' Seems to be derailing the thread slightly.
And yes, it does. IME.
What no one embroiled in this sub discussion seems able to grasp is that some do, and some don't. And yes, it does. IME.
I had a Honda years ago (1993 car) in which the accelerator did move, but the (mostly German) cars I've had since, they don't.
Pretty certain that on a modern car like the Octavia in question, it wouldn't physically move unless actually pressed.
B'stard Child said:
CDP said:
FWIW said:
Zod said:
I don't believe there is a single car on the market now or in the past thirty years on which the accelerator pedal is moved by the cruise control.
I had a 1993 Granada Scorpio which did this...Zod clearly started driving after DBW became the norm and thought that all cars since the year dot were the same
It doesn't make him wrong - he just hasn't driven enough cars from within the last 30 years to form a complete view
don'tbesilly said:
I didn't think Zod drove?
It's not Zod that's wrong, he clearly employs chauffeurs who are wrong.
When one includes Carney as a fellow shopper at Jeroboams, it's inconceivable to believe one would be expected to drive, be it to Jeroboams or Harrods
My, what an obsessive type you are!It's not Zod that's wrong, he clearly employs chauffeurs who are wrong.
When one includes Carney as a fellow shopper at Jeroboams, it's inconceivable to believe one would be expected to drive, be it to Jeroboams or Harrods
I don't like chauffeurs. I prefer to drive myself. That's why I don't buy big saloons.
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