Man killed because his cruise control wouldn't switch off!
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You can come up with all the possible ways in which a car could fail but any faults would be found in the ecu history which showed no faults. He was going for 10 mins fine then bamg right into a lorry righto.
It was suciced covered up to not lose face to his family.
If all electrical inputs did fail the brakes would be able to over come it all and stop the vehicle as they are still linked mechanically.
It was suciced covered up to not lose face to his family.
If all electrical inputs did fail the brakes would be able to over come it all and stop the vehicle as they are still linked mechanically.
MG CHRIS said:
You can come up with all the possible ways in which a car could fail but any faults would be found in the ecu history which showed no faults. He was going for 10 mins fine then bamg right into a lorry righto.
It was suciced covered up to not lose face to his family.
If all electrical inputs did fail the brakes would be able to over come it all and stop the vehicle as they are still linked mechanically.
That's not true regarding fault codes!! The amount of times my VW has thrown up a fault code that resets itself on car restart and is not readable when it's back at the dealer is more times than I can number.It was suciced covered up to not lose face to his family.
If all electrical inputs did fail the brakes would be able to over come it all and stop the vehicle as they are still linked mechanically.
The dash would have been warning light city. My car is much lower tech but still flashes warning light even if the aircon compressor is under speed
We sldo have an Octavia 3 auto. Gear stick is easy to put into neutral when driving, hand brake is not electronic, braking instantly cancels cruise, i can drive it at 100mph for hours without hitting parked trucks,
Seems an unlikely combination of failures to me, but stranger things have hsppenned.
We sldo have an Octavia 3 auto. Gear stick is easy to put into neutral when driving, hand brake is not electronic, braking instantly cancels cruise, i can drive it at 100mph for hours without hitting parked trucks,
Seems an unlikely combination of failures to me, but stranger things have hsppenned.
davepoth said:
at 3 in the morning? Unlikely.
Not really, middle lane hogger / merging traffic / lorry on hard shoulder could all contribute to their being no options. It's not a nice section of road by the looks of it, two lane for short sections;https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5611099,-0.49442...
Edited by Zombie on Tuesday 13th December 22:03
MG CHRIS said:
You can come up with all the possible ways in which a car could fail but any faults would be found in the ecu history which showed no faults. He was going for 10 mins fine then bamg right into a lorry righto.
It was suciced covered up to not lose face to his family.
If all electrical inputs did fail the brakes would be able to over come it all and stop the vehicle as they are still linked mechanically.
That does seem to be basically what the expert witnesses in the case are saying, without saying so. Hence no real attempted explanation. It was suciced covered up to not lose face to his family.
If all electrical inputs did fail the brakes would be able to over come it all and stop the vehicle as they are still linked mechanically.
xjay1337 said:
Yes :'(
Especially when it was massively overthought (and wrong).
I was hypothesising. I didn't intend it to sound like I was offering fact. I would like to understand how or what is required for such a situation to arise, so please, enlighten me, which bit was wrong? Especially when it was massively overthought (and wrong).
- I'm not interested in whether or not it was deliberate BTW, the assumption being that it wasn't.
maxxy5 said:
That does seem to be basically what the expert witnesses in the case are saying, without saying so. Hence no real attempted explanation.
It does seem to be the gist of it. And that in itself isn't that unusual. I've had to look into accident data as part of my work and the stupidity of some people's actions is often understated. Such as a accident where 2 people were killed, driver and passenger - During the inquest the cars speed was reported to be "in excess of 40mph" (in a 30 limit). The reality was they were doing at least 90mph.
ashleyman said:
I wonder if he got flashed by any cameras going down the motorway at those speeds.
Thr only other plausible scernario apart from suicide would be if he got flashed going pretty quick (as you easily can at 3am) and then panicked as he realised his driving/job/house etc... could now be in peril and so tried to get out of it by making up a defence (claiming a car malfunction) which sadly went wrong.It's almost impossible for all the malfunctions and failures necessary to make a vehicle unstoppable at speed on the motorway to happen at once.
There have been a few reported incidents like this, but all have been treated with a lot of scepticism.
To me the most likely scenario is some sort of delusional disorder.
It's very well documented that people can suffer delusions where they are partly or fully unaware of what they are doing or unable to fully control what they are doing to the point they do harm to themselves and/or other people.
To me a malfunction with the driver's one brain seems to be by far the most plausible explanation compared to several simultaneous malfunctions in the electrical and mechanical systems which ultimately left no trace.
There have been a few reported incidents like this, but all have been treated with a lot of scepticism.
To me the most likely scenario is some sort of delusional disorder.
It's very well documented that people can suffer delusions where they are partly or fully unaware of what they are doing or unable to fully control what they are doing to the point they do harm to themselves and/or other people.
To me a malfunction with the driver's one brain seems to be by far the most plausible explanation compared to several simultaneous malfunctions in the electrical and mechanical systems which ultimately left no trace.
otolith said:
danllama said:
I agree 100% with suicide. How did the coroner not come to this conclusion?
Coroners are reluctant to guess at suicide when they can't rule out an accident. If it was suicide then it was calculated in the extreme, it could have just been extreme stupidity and confusion in a difficult situation. People are idiots.
Zombie said:
If it was a software crash, that affected multiple systems the a reboot caused by the crash could have cleared the original fault?
IIRC Bosch's EDR stores all the required information, and EDR has been on some VW group cars since 2011. So I suspect the EDR plus airbag data etc provides all the info they needed.Though I believe EDR is not mandated in vehicles outside of the US; Europe some time 2020+, but most Bosch based cars will have EDR storage already.
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