Football alleged abuse

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anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 3rd December 2016
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Sparkyhd said:
Let's get this straight.

The victim went to the PFA - they did nothing.

The victim went to the police - they did nothing.

The victim instructed a solicitor to ask Chelsea for compensation - they did something. They gave him the compensation he asked for and the victim's solicitor accepted the standard non disclosure clauses.

I can't see where Chelsea have acted badly here. It's the PFA and police that need to come up with answers.

If posters could set aside their football allegiances and stop trying to score petty points and instead focus on the real issue we might make some progress.
I think the PFA will not look good when all this is finished.

But they have enough cash to make it go away probably.

Cold

15,250 posts

91 months

Saturday 3rd December 2016
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Why have the police been so consistently inept at dealing with this type of crime?

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Cold said:
Why have the police been so consistently inept at dealing with this type of crime?
A cynic might suggest that there are some stories they might like to sweep under the carpet.

After all, if there's any organisation that had both perceived respect and privileged access to vulnerable young people in the 1970s, it was them. Considering how widespread child sex abuse was in all echelons of society at that time, I'd be surprised if there weren't policemen involved.

XM5ER

5,091 posts

249 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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tommunster10 said:
The Mad Monk said:
XM5ER said:
As this story unfolds, remember this phrase "pool parties". I wont say anything else as it might be completely innocent but I will be looking out for this very carefully over the coming months.
Any chance you could give us a bit of a clue what you are on about?
Yes i'd like to know more as my son went to 3 pool parties over summer so should i be worried when i hear 'pool parties'?

hmmm.
Nope as I have no desire to get sued.

316Mining

20,911 posts

248 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Cold said:
Why have the police been so consistently inept at dealing with this type of crime?
Funny handshakes.

Derek Smith

45,689 posts

249 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Cold said:
Why have the police been so consistently inept at dealing with this type of crime?
With regards to Cyril Smith, the only one I know a bit about, there was pressure from above to drop investigations. I know of one juvenile crime unit that was shut down after producing what, in the minds of the officers in the unit, was a clear case against the MP. The file went missing.

I know of officers in a training unit, some of whom had not mentioned his name in class or in discussions, who were threatened not to mention his name again. This was done by the instructors' managers in the tone of 'I don't really want to do this but I've been ordered to'. One officer, who merely told her class facts that were accepted and proveable was threatened with dismissal.

I'm not one to suggest a conspiracy but this was pressure.

There was an interview with a chief whip in the 80s or 90s where it was stated that they get the black, obviously criminal matters, on an MP and then use it to ensure conformity to the party's, or the PM's or even a particular group within the party's wishes on voting or to encourage cooperation in other matters. The CW thought it was rather clever of him.

If such things do go on, and who am I to doubt a chief whip, then it means they must control police investigations and the CPS as well.

It's very different now of course: the chief whip or other mp would not dream of saying so on TV.


tvrtim

438 posts

263 months

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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tvrtim said:
When he first went public it was known he had been dismissed from the police for inappropriate behaviour.
I don't think rape was mentioned at the time though.

It will be a crying shame if the two issues are conflated and have a negative impact on either of the matters.

FredericRobinson

3,722 posts

233 months

Sunday 11th December 2016
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Reports overnight that the FA have suspended Dario Gradi from all football activity, FA refusing to comment.

CoolHands

18,681 posts

196 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Obvs I’m an ignorant pig but I can’t understand why once grown, one of these lads doesn’t go back and do him in.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Zoon

6,710 posts

122 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Interesting that Kieron Dyer has revealed he was abused by a relative, cynically a couple of weeks before he releases his autobiography?


anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Zoon said:
Interesting that Kieron Dyer has revealed he was abused by a relative, cynically a couple of weeks before he releases his autobiography?
Do you not agree that he has the right to do so?

Zoon

6,710 posts

122 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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desolate said:
Do you not agree that he has the right to do so?
Of course he has a right, I just question his timing, it could be seen as commercially motivated.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Zoon said:
Of course he has a right, I just question his timing, it could be seen as commercially motivated.
If he makes a few quid from it then fair enough I'd say.

so called

9,090 posts

210 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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desolate said:
Zoon said:
Of course he has a right, I just question his timing, it could be seen as commercially motivated.
If he makes a few quid from it then fair enough I'd say.
Or he could be wanting to get it out to his family before the book is published and so stop accusations of 'commercial motivation' if he left it to after.
Either way, not a nice position to be in.

greygoose

8,269 posts

196 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Time for an investigation into who knew what and did nothing at the FA whilst all of this was going on.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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greygoose said:
Time for an investigation into who knew what and did nothing at the FA whilst all of this was going on.
It was widely known and I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'll be very interested to see if the PFA is prepared to put any serious resource into it.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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anonymous said:
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Which is why it will be interesting to see if they do anything. I think they have been behind the door on this matter and they aren't normally shy.