Quitaly - the Italians are next

[Digga]

CrutyRammers said:

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

France, Italy and UK all for leaving the EU / Euro - and yet all were falling over backwards to throw money at the defaulting Greeks a couple of years ago to keep them in.

Jesus Wept.

You're confusing what the people want with what the politicians want.

Correct. Bureacrats need empires. Piggies (the more equal ones) need troughs. The bigger the empire, the bigger the trough.

[catso]

Having long standing business and family connections in Italy, I don't think they will be leaving the EU.

but then I didn't think we would...

[williamp]

Italy is doing fine: its GDP is as big as Russia's, yet doesnt spend nearly as much as Russia does on the military....

Seriously, it will be interesting to see what happens, and whether the italian politicians will listen. Like the Netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/07/dutc...

[Digga]

catso said:

Having long standing business and family connections in Italy, I don't think they will be leaving the EU.

but then I didn't think we would...

Your footnote, and the article linked to by WilliamP (above) from April this year are certainly the nagging doubt for either side.

[FN2TypeR]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

France, Italy and UK all for leaving the EU / Euro - and yet all were falling over backwards to throw money at the defaulting Greeks a couple of years ago to keep them in.

Jesus Wept.

Only one of those countries has actually voted to leave the EU and I don't believe that France or Italy will do so any time soon.

[r11co]

catso said:

Having long standing business and family connections in Italy, I don't think they will be leaving the EU.

I don't think they will be either and no party is pushing for it. I do think though that a certain chain of events in Italy could see them leave the single currency and/or bring the Euro down completely.

[Esseesse]

Farage thinks Ireland could leave or be moving that way in a few years.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2016/12/01/ireland-m...

[Borghetto]

r11co said:

I don't think they will be either and no party is pushing for it. I do think though that a certain chain of events in Italy could see them leave the single currency and/or bring the Euro down completely.

I think Le Pen and Grillo might take issue with you on them looking for the exit.

[Ridgemont]

FN2TypeR said:

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

France, Italy and UK all for leaving the EU / Euro - and yet all were falling over backwards to throw money at the defaulting Greeks a couple of years ago to keep them in.

Jesus Wept.

Only one of those countries has actually voted to leave the EU and I don't believe that France or Italy will do so any time soon.

I'm tempted to take a Punt on France exiting.

Last time the FN came so close, it propelled Chirac back into power as socialists lined up behind him to prevent Le Pen resulting in a 82% landslide.
This time François Fillon is going to be representing the Republicans and the polls are tighter as lefties are less inclined to support the thatcherite, but still giving a split of around 60/40 in Fillon's favour as most non NF voters swing to Fillon.

However. We're still 6months away from the election and the interesting thing will be to see whether Le Pen 2 could benefit from poll bumps if there are EU shenannigans/terrorist events etc.

And its also worth noting the current standing of the EU in French opinions:




Any referendum will almost certainly be lost should it be held.
The only thing preventing a vote to Leave in France, is FN being blocked from the presidency.

[Ridgemont]

williamp said:

Italy is doing fine: its GDP is as big as Russia's, yet doesnt spend nearly as much as Russia does on the military....

Seriously, it will be interesting to see what happens, and whether the italian politicians will listen. Like the Netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/07/dutc...

I might be missing an avian divebomb but really?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth

GDP Growth Rate in Italy averaged 0.60 percent from 1960 until 2016.
They've been in negative growth for 24 of the last 34 years?

[TheExcession]

Esseesse said:

Farage thinks Ireland could leave or be moving that way in a few years.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2016/12/01/ireland-m...

That's a good article thanks for posting, Nigel Farage: Ireland, if you think Apple is bad you ain’t seen nothing yet.

He's absolutely correct (again) of course, I think the majority of Irish people are sleep walking into oblivion where the CCCBT is concerned, it'll be a disaster.

[gruffalo]

williamp said:

Italy is doing fine: its GDP is as big as Russia's, yet doesnt spend nearly as much as Russia does on the military....

Seriously, it will be interesting to see what happens, and whether the italian politicians will listen. Like the Netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/07/dutc...

That was the result that Junkers said made no difference, that he didn't care how the Dutch voted and that the project would move forward to forge closer ties with Ukraine.

Great demonstration of democracy at work in the EU!!

[Andy Zarse]

Newsnight going with Italy tonight...

[Esseesse]

TheExcession said:

Esseesse said:

Farage thinks Ireland could leave or be moving that way in a few years.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2016/12/01/ireland-m...

That's a good article thanks for posting, Nigel Farage: Ireland, if you think Apple is bad you ain’t seen nothing yet.

He's absolutely correct (again) of course, I think the majority of Irish people are sleep walking into oblivion where the CCCBT is concerned, it'll be a disaster.

David McWilliams's blog is pretty good, one I check fairly regularly. Quite a high proportion of interesting articles or subjects with a different take that you might not have considered.

Edit: I've now read the article in your link. If the comments are anything to go by your thoughts about sleep walking into oblivion sound about right.

Edited by Esseesse on Thursday 1st December 23:03

[jakesmith]

Much as I hate the economic uncertainty of these seismic political shifts, you have to have a wry smile at the catchyness of the names they come up with, Brexit, Quitily, what's next I wonder

[Wills2]

Andy Zarse said:

Newsnight going with Italy tonight...

I love it when Evan talks about the great unwashed, his almost childish incredulity that these people might actually want a future and have managed to find a voice is heart warming.

I expect they'll run a feature soon on Newsnight "democracy, should we really give them a vote?"

[Andy Zarse]

Wills2 said:

Andy Zarse said:

Newsnight going with Italy tonight...

I love it when Evan talks about the great unwashed, his almost childish incredulity that these people might actually want a future and have managed to find a voice is heart warming.

I expect they'll run a feature soon on Newsnight "democracy, should we really give them a vote?"

Since the Guardian's Ian Katz took over as editor it's become, well, the Guardian...

[Northern Munkee]

Andy Zarse said:

Wills2 said:

Andy Zarse said:

Newsnight going with Italy tonight...

I love it when Evan talks about the great unwashed, his almost childish incredulity that these people might actually want a future and have managed to find a voice is heart warming.

I expect they'll run a feature soon on Newsnight "democracy, should we really give them a vote?"

Since the Guardian's Ian Katz took over as editor it's become, well, the Guardian...

I can see why Paxman fked off, would you fancy batting heads with the entire red editorial team. Nick Watt is a particularly vacuous, superficial tt.

[wc98]

Northern Munkee said:

I can see why Paxman fked off, would you fancy batting heads with the entire red editorial team. Nick Watt is a particularly vacuous, superficial tt.

would depend on whether it was a baseball bat or a cricket bat, i always find a cricket bat awkward to get a decent swing with

[Digga]

Wills2 said:

I love it when Evan talks about the great unwashed, his almost childish incredulity that these people might actually want a future and have managed to find a voice is heart warming.

I expect they'll run a feature soon on Newsnight "democracy, should we really give them a vote?"

I don't actually mind Evan, but he does spout some horrific, liberal-left, self-righteous nonsense at times and this is the worst sort; 'they' still do not get the fact that the more they try to demonise Brexiters and people who do not share 'their' world view, the more divisive the issue. Prime groupthink behaviour.