Quitaly - the Italians are next
Discussion
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
JawKnee said:
This is not a referendum about EU membership. It is about political reform which has transformed into a vote of confidence in the PM.
I get that, perhaps jumping the gun in my post, but I think it's all a part of the tidal surge we are seeing I have a family member who in the summer became an elected politician of the populist 5 star movement. They are quite a left leaning party, (moreso than the centre left Renzi). Think ultra green, a basic wage given to all citizens, large public sector etc etc. They certainly have their issues with the EU but are keener to see it reformed and the wealth distributed more evenly from the richer northern nations.
crankedup said:
Seems to me, and it has been thus. For sum years, ordinary folk are sick to the back teeth of the 'establishment ' the rich getting richer and the less well off getting less well off. An old recipe for a uprising.
The Bankers and the Politicians have destroyed good economies and businesses and given us mass unemployment across Europe especially amongst young people particularly in the Eurozone. So quite rightly when they get a chance to stick two fingers up to the establishment they do so.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
JawKnee said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
JawKnee said:
This is not a referendum about EU membership. It is about political reform which has transformed into a vote of confidence in the PM.
I get that, perhaps jumping the gun in my post, but I think it's all a part of the tidal surge we are seeing I have a family member who in the summer became an elected politician of the populist 5 star movement. They are quite a left leaning party, (moreso than the centre left Renzi). Think ultra green, a basic wage given to all citizens, large public sector etc etc. They certainly have their issues with the EU but are keener to see it reformed and the wealth distributed more evenly from the richer northern nations.
So with that, and the EU saying 'nah' , and the terrible economical position the Italians are in ..... they'll do what?
'New currency time'?
hornetrider said:
Northern Munkee said:
Gold is spiking.
Euro is tanking. Sell. f
king Sell. Right now.
And It does have something to do with EU. Assuming the Italian president accepts his resignation, doesn't convince him to stay which would be difficult with a lack confidence expressed by the electorate in his relationship, the general election that will be called, has (if I understand it correctly) the 2 or 3 largest parties calling for a referendum on their continued Euro participation. And wanting out. That's the Eurozone currency, integral to The Project and ever closer union expressed. Treaty of Rome and all that.
Amazing a by-election in Richmond ostensibly called over Heathrow 3rd runaway is somehow interpreted by Remainers as a referendum on Brexit (in a staunchly Remain constituency) but referendum on the Italian constitutional reform, cannot become a referendum on the EUs man in Rome. Yeah right.
Of course this was before such a resounding rejection of Renzi
"But a No vote would boost eurosceptic forces, although is unlikely to trigger the euro exit referendum that Grillo and Salvini want and that the rest of Europe is afraid of."
https://euobserver.com/beyond-brussels/136130
"But a No vote would boost eurosceptic forces, although is unlikely to trigger the euro exit referendum that Grillo and Salvini want and that the rest of Europe is afraid of."
https://euobserver.com/beyond-brussels/136130
JawKnee said:
...a basic wage given to all citizens, large public sector etc etc. They certainly have their issues with the EU but are keener to see it reformed and the wealth distributed more evenly from the richer northern nations.
Bless. Is that all they want? I don't see any problems at all.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff