New Fivers contain animal fat...
Discussion
Vipers said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Moonhawk said:
No
"Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. "
http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guid...
Not quite though is it if it is offered then refused I guess a free Breakfast is in order."Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. "
http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guid...
Anyway...........
If a £5 note is legal tender, which as you say has a very narrow meaning, then a shopkeeper could not refuse it. Well, he could, but he'd be in breach of contract - unless, I suppose he let you walk out the shop with the goods at a lesser price. Having said all that, it would have to be for something costs £5 or more as you have no right to insist on change if it's, say, a £4 item you are buying.
AJL308 said:
Vipers said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Moonhawk said:
No
"Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. "
http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guid...
Not quite though is it if it is offered then refused I guess a free Breakfast is in order."Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. "
http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guid...
Anyway...........
If a £5 note is legal tender, which as you say has a very narrow meaning, then a shopkeeper could not refuse it. Well, he could, but he'd be in breach of contract - unless, I suppose he let you walk out the shop with the goods at a lesser price. Having said all that, it would have to be for something costs £5 or more as you have no right to insist on change if it's, say, a £4 item you are buying.
Whilst they circulate freely and are generally accepted in their respective countries, neither Scottish nor Northern Irish banknotes are actually legal tender anywhere in the UK. You may also like to be aware, however, that current Bank of England notes are 'legal tender' in England and Wales, but not in either Scotland or Northern Ireland. But the term ‘legal tender’ does not of itself govern the acceptability of banknotes in financial transactions. Whether or not specific UK notes have legal tender status, their acceptability as a means of payment is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties concerned. An individual, or retailer, is, therefore, perfectly within their rights should they refuse to accept, for whatever reason, one of the UK banknotes, of whatever face value.
The phrase ‘legal tender’, therefore, has a very narrow meaning in relation to the settlement of debts; quite simply, it means that if a debtor pays in legal tender the exact amount owing under the terms of a contract, he has a good defence in law if he is subsequently sued for non-payment of the debt.
It follows that, in ordinary everyday transactions, the term ‘legal tender’ has very little practical application. People are also often willing to accept payment by cheque, standing order, debit or credit card for example – in fact, by any instrument that they are confident will deliver value – but these, too, are not actually legal tender items. Anyone in the UK can refuse acceptance of a banknote or coin in payment for goods or services, without necessarily giving a reason for so doing. In practice, it will often depend upon whether the bank where the account is held will accept such notes/coin when they come to be paid in. Many commercial banks will refuse such currency, whilst others may make a charge for their service.
Lastly, I should just mention that the Bank of England is only responsible for the production and issue of banknotes, whilst the Royal Mint is responsible for the coinage. I believe the same is true of the coinage as of the banknotes, but you should contact the Mint regarding that aspect, at:
Royal Mint, Pontyclun, Llantrisant, Mid Glamorgan, CF7 8YT
Tel: 01443 623061
Website: www.royalmint.com
You may be interested to know that the relevant legislation governing the term ‘legal tender’ is:
(banknotes) Currency and Banknotes Act 1954, section 1(2);
(coins) Coinage Act 1971, as amended by the Currency Act 1983.
With kind regards
Was time when cheeky buggers gave you 19/6 to a Scottish pound in London, and even recently, American Express were using a different exchange rate for Scottish pounds v English pounds when being exchaned in Hong Kong, not for long though.
I know my post doesnt affect the current debate, but thought it may be of interest to someone.
Halmyre said:
Cold said:
Oh no, what am I going to for lunch next time I'm in Cambridge...oh, wait, I don't frequent vegetarian cafes (or Cambridge come to that). Problem solved.
shakotan said:
Halmyre said:
Cold said:
Oh no, what am I going to for lunch next time I'm in Cambridge...oh, wait, I don't frequent vegetarian cafes (or Cambridge come to that). Problem solved.
Halmyre said:
mybrainhurts said:
I've just mailed one to that cafe in Cambridge.
I think it was worth it..
Anyone in Cambridge, listen for howls of anguish in a couple of days, it's gone second class...
I find them 100 times more repulsive than this cafe does. I'll send you my address...I think it was worth it..
Anyone in Cambridge, listen for howls of anguish in a couple of days, it's gone second class...
Halmyre said:
shakotan said:
Halmyre said:
Cold said:
Oh no, what am I going to for lunch next time I'm in Cambridge...oh, wait, I don't frequent vegetarian cafes (or Cambridge come to that). Problem solved.Cheese containing animal products, fine.
Money containing animal products, not fine.
shakotan said:
But there not eating the £5 notes, so where is the difference?
Cheese containing animal products, fine.
Money containing animal products, not fine.
I expect the difference is that you don't actually have to kill a cow to get milk from it - they'd probably not be too bothered if the fivers contained cheese. Cheese containing animal products, fine.
Money containing animal products, not fine.
I mean, they're being idiots over this, but it isn't inconsistent with serving non-vegan vegetarian food.
On the subject of Veggies & Vegans, I totally understand if a vegan chooses not to use anything animal based, i.e. leather shoes, eggs etc. but I have often thought veggies are a bit hypocritical.
I know a few veggies and they own leather shoes, drink milk (dairy) and eat cheese (lots of cheese!)
Am I correct in thinking that the only way to get a cow to produce milk is to get it up the duff? That way ensuring more cattle are produced.
Leather is also a cow by product which could be considered in-humane. Eggs too, they are often produced in battery conditions which many see as cruel.
The list goes on...........
I know a few veggies and they own leather shoes, drink milk (dairy) and eat cheese (lots of cheese!)
Am I correct in thinking that the only way to get a cow to produce milk is to get it up the duff? That way ensuring more cattle are produced.
Leather is also a cow by product which could be considered in-humane. Eggs too, they are often produced in battery conditions which many see as cruel.
The list goes on...........
thomasjonny69 said:
Am I correct in thinking that the only way to get a cow to produce milk is to get it up the duff? That way ensuring more cattle are produced.
Cows yes, but interestingly goats can produce milk without having a kid, so I guess some veggies may consider goats cheeses slightly differently.Not sure what most veggies attitude to wool is either, if we didn't have the meat industry wool would be one hell of a lot more expensive.
Given that the main ingredient in the new fivers is plastic, which is made form oil, are they generally not bothered about animals that died millions of years ago?
thomasjonny69 said:
The list goes on...........
I wonder what veggies think of kopi luwak?shakotan said:
Halmyre said:
shakotan said:
Halmyre said:
Cold said:
Oh no, what am I going to for lunch next time I'm in Cambridge...oh, wait, I don't frequent vegetarian cafes (or Cambridge come to that). Problem solved.Cheese containing animal products, fine.
Money containing animal products, not fine.
Europa1 said:
From reading the comments on the Cambridge News website, the new fiver may well have more taste than the food that cafe serves. It does seem a very counter-intuitive stance - does that mean that the majority of customers should take their shoes off before entering?
If they are PETA supporters, which you can bet they are then wool isn't safe either. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/1...FourWheelDrift said:
Europa1 said:
From reading the comments on the Cambridge News website, the new fiver may well have more taste than the food that cafe serves. It does seem a very counter-intuitive stance - does that mean that the majority of customers should take their shoes off before entering?
If they are PETA supporters, which you can bet they are then wool isn't safe either. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/1...
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