top WPC gets her breast out
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wsurfa said:
Your point was what exactly? That half a year is an entirely reasonable period?
That the constraints, laws and policies are comprehensive and unique. Room for 'streamlining' are limited to non-existent. The investigation is likely to be significantly more comprehensive and detailed than anything in the private world. Dedicated misconduct investigators are going to be investigating multiple matters in parallel. None of us know how many other investigations the investigators involved in this matter were involved in whilst completing this matter. Not that such potentially significant unknowns are worthy of thought to many on here.
Does your firm send internal misconduct matters to the CPS (where relevant), who add their own delays, BTW?
La Liga said:
wsurfa said:
Your point was what exactly? That half a year is an entirely reasonable period?
That the constraints, laws and policies are comprehensive and unique. Room for 'streamlining' are limited to non-existent. The investigation is likely to be significantly more comprehensive and detailed than anything in the private world. Dedicated misconduct investigators are going to be investigating multiple matters in parallel. None of us know how many many matters the investigators involved in this matter were involved in whilst completing this matter. Not that such potentially significant unknowns are worthy of thought to many on here.
Does your firm send internal misconduct matters to the CPS (where relevant), who add their own delays, BTW?
And HR people dont just do one investigation or one thing at a time either.
Do you believe 10 months is reasonable?
wsurfa said:
Where misconduct is a civil or criminal offence then unsurprisingly we don't instruct the CPS directly, but rather through the police, surely you would know that...?
Exactly. Another unique aspect to police misconduct which often adds a fair bit of time. I don't know whether or not it was done in this case. With the rank and public interest, it wouldn't surprise me if advice were taken. wsurfa said:
And HR people dont just do one investigation or one thing at a time either.
No doubt, but without knowing the volume of work these investigators in question had on, then how can someone judge whether they were expedient or not? If I am investing 20 active matters (not unusual), then each investigation is going to take time to build. wsurfa said:
Do you believe 10 months is reasonable?
Why do I keep reading 10 months from people? It occurred in May. Do I believe that just under 8 months from incident to resolution was reasonable. Well that would depend on all the aspects I don't know about the matter. REALIST123 said:
La Liga said:
REALIST123 said:
Taking care of their own or afraid of kickback if they impose a fair punishment?
It's an independent panel... 
You can apply to assist such panels yourself if you feel there's something wrong and wanted to actually do something. It's paid, too.
La Liga said:
sparkythecat said:
It's not the fact that she was suspended on full pay that irks, so much as the fact that this has taken so long to investigate. This should have been resolved far quicker than it has.
Quality investigations take time. 6 / 7 months from incident to hearing isn't long. 
king? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.fblm said:
La Liga said:
sparkythecat said:
It's not the fact that she was suspended on full pay that irks, so much as the fact that this has taken so long to investigate. This should have been resolved far quicker than it has.
Quality investigations take time. 6 / 7 months from incident to hearing isn't long. king? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.
fblm said:
I've no doubt that is true. What I find remarkable is that apparently this timescale is acceptable. It's not murder. She got her tits out and was a bit mean to someone FFS! What ever happened to an apology and a bking? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.
It would appear that even double murders can be finalised in a shorter timescale.king? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/jury-c...
fblm said:
I've no doubt that is true. What I find remarkable is that apparently this timescale is acceptable. It's not murder. She got her tits out and was a bit mean to someone FFS! What ever happened to an apology and a bking? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.
You talk of compensation, yet your suggestion for dealing with the matter presents a much greater risk of compensation. king? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.Other than complete speculation, what are you working from to suggest she'll resign and 'claim compo'?
sparkythecat said:
fblm said:
I've no doubt that is true. What I find remarkable is that apparently this timescale is acceptable. It's not murder. She got her tits out and was a bit mean to someone FFS! What ever happened to an apology and a bking? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.
It would appear that even double murders can be finalised in a shorter timescale.king? Complete waste of tax payers money. After all the fuss I wonder how long it takes for the younger one to now quit and claim compo.http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/jury-c...
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Supporting it or not is irrelevant. It's unique legislation that solely applies to the police and has gone through Parliament. Whether the matter could have reasonably, in all the circumstances, been completed more quickly is unknown. It doesn't strike me as a long time for a Misconduct Hearing given the laws that apply to investigating and processing the matter, but without knowing more I can't really draw a conclusion.
The over-arching principle is to ensure police misconduct is thoroughly and comprehensively investigated. The idea of hearing them in public is for transparency. No one really cares that much about someone being sacked from Tesco and that it can be done on a much more simplistic and superficial basis.
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You brought support up. I do get it. However, people need to get that unless they know lots of unknowns a proper judgement can't be made. It's no more complicated than that. There's links to the legislation were to give an insight into the complexities of the law and procedure.
I think there's a little irony in accusing someone of 'smarminess' whilst writing the word in a 'smarmy' sentence with sarcasm and laughing emoticons.
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