Brexit, great news!

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Pan Pan Pan

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Friday 2nd December 2016
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As touched on elsewhere it seems that Prime Minister May has already been excluded from several EU meetings (In which as some have pointed out, she should have been included, as technically the UK is still a member state), with the latest, being a ban on her attending the EU end of year meeting and dinner.
This is good news, because it shows that as far as the EU is concerned, the UK is already no longer a member of the EU `club'

superlightr

12,856 posts

263 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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think we need a refund of subs paid if the dinner we paid for is off.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,346 posts

150 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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Who can blame them. If I were them, I wouldn't want us there either.

We should be on the equivalent of gardening leave....we officially haven't gone yet but don't bother turning up in the meantime because we're well rid of you.

Pan Pan Pan

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Friday 2nd December 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Who can blame them. If I were them, I wouldn't want us there either.

We should be on the equivalent of gardening leave....we officially haven't gone yet but don't bother turning up in the meantime because we're well rid of you.
I don't blame them at all, after all, they are only doing what Theresa May has been criticized for doing, namely playing her leaving the EU cards close to her chest.
But the underlying joy of this, is that as far as the EU is concerned, the UK is already NOT a member of the EU! smile

superlightr

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Friday 2nd December 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Who can blame them. If I were them, I wouldn't want us there either.

We should be on the equivalent of gardening leave....we officially haven't gone yet but don't bother turning up in the meantime because we're well rid of you.
its like giving your notice at work - sure the UK will go on gardening leave but we get the benefits of our contract until the end of the notice. No worries.

If tho the employer starts cutting your pay or benefits of your contract ie you cant now use the gym membership in the last month then you would have a right to challenge that as its breaking your contract or they reduce your bonus etc.

So you think the EU is well rid of the UK? think its the other way around and called democracy.


0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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The big question is what's next for the EU?

They just lost their globally most influential country by far, and will now need to redistribute the UK's net contributions. This will be very painful indeed.

Pan Pan Pan

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Friday 2nd December 2016
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superlightr said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Who can blame them. If I were them, I wouldn't want us there either.

We should be on the equivalent of gardening leave....we officially haven't gone yet but don't bother turning up in the meantime because we're well rid of you.
its like giving your notice at work - sure the UK will go on gardening leave but we get the benefits of our contract until the end of the notice. No worries.

If tho the employer starts cutting your pay or benefits of your contract ie you cant now use the gym membership in the last month then you would have a right to challenge that as its breaking your contract or they reduce your bonus etc.

So you think the EU is well rid of the UK? think its the other way around and called democracy.
Since the UK is the second largest net contributor into EU coffers after Germany, perhaps they want to discuss what scams they will use, to make up the EU budget shortfall?

s2art

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253 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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0a said:
The big question is what's next for the EU?

They just lost their globally most influential country by far, and will now need to redistribute the UK's net contributions. This will be very painful indeed.
Not sure if the UK net 10-11 billion contrib would be that problematic. Germany alone could take up the slack. (not that they would want to). The big loss, as you say, is our soft power, hard power, intelligence capability and global influenced.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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0a said:
The big question is what's next for the EU?

They just lost their globally most influential country by far, and will now need to redistribute the UK's net contributions. This will be very painful indeed.
Won't they actually be better much off when the UK has to pay EU subscriptions for all the stuff they had before?

Piersman2

6,597 posts

199 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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And yet again, the elitists in charge in the EU will not realise that this kind of pettiness and exclusion will not wash with the EU citizens, it will backfire on them and fan the flames of revolt that are already burning their collective derriers. smile

Let them continue to reveal their true colours, they'll be finished all the quicker for it.

0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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s2art said:
0a said:
The big question is what's next for the EU?

They just lost their globally most influential country by far, and will now need to redistribute the UK's net contributions. This will be very painful indeed.
Not sure if the UK net 10-11 billion contrib would be that problematic. Germany alone could take up the slack. (not that they would want to). The big loss, as you say, is our soft power, hard power, intelligence capability and global influenced.
Who pays for the UK will become a political battle no doubt. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.spiegel.de/intern...

The EU will not be seen the same now it's just a continental Europe club.

The decision not to throw Cameron a few bones looks pretty foolish now.

B'stard Child

28,387 posts

246 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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El stovey said:
0a said:
The big question is what's next for the EU?

They just lost their globally most influential country by far, and will now need to redistribute the UK's net contributions. This will be very painful indeed.
Won't they actually be better much off when the UK has to pay EU subscriptions for all the stuff they had before?
No not at all - the fees collected for the "EU associate Passport scheme" for the UK "Special Friends of the EU" will recover all the lost funding and then some.

Junkers said:
No need for a visa system for anyone from the UK to visit any country in the EU - just join our "Associate scheme", small administration fee to join and a manageble subsequent annual subscription to keep up your membership - terms and conditions apply and easy finance packages avaliable
It's a cross between Golf Club membership fees and working for John Lewis - you are both a member and a partner in the inevitable creep towards the EuSSR

B'stard Child

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246 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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PS Junkers didn't really say that - I wouldn't want anyone to leap to any conclusions and start publishing my post as fact......

Pan Pan Pan

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Friday 2nd December 2016
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El stovey said:
0a said:
The big question is what's next for the EU?

They just lost their globally most influential country by far, and will now need to redistribute the UK's net contributions. This will be very painful indeed.
Won't they actually be better much off when the UK has to pay EU subscriptions for all the stuff they had before?
Not when the UK starts reciprocating by charging the EU an equal subscription to sell its goods into the UK. Especially as the EU have been selling more into the UK, than the UK has been selling into the EU in its 40 year relationship with the EEC/EU.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd December 14:29

don4l

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176 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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s2art said:
Not sure if the UK net 10-11 billion contrib would be that problematic. Germany alone could take up the slack. (not that they would want to). The big loss, as you say, is our soft power, hard power, intelligence capability and global influenced.
Once we take control of our own foreign policy we will have more global influence.

saabster14

487 posts

154 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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don4l said:
Once we take control of our own foreign policy we will have more global influence.
?? do we not currently control our own foreign policy?

s2art

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253 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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saabster14 said:
don4l said:
Once we take control of our own foreign policy we will have more global influence.
?? do we not currently control our own foreign policy?
Can we agree trade deals with other countries?

matrignano

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210 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Who can blame them. If I were them, I wouldn't want us there either.

We should be on the equivalent of gardening leave....we officially haven't gone yet but don't bother turning up in the meantime because we're well rid of you.
Technically we are not on gardening leave until we trigger Article 50.
So I would argue what the EU is doing is "unlawful" as we are still a fully paid up member of the union. At the very least they should pay us back pro-rata on anything they have excluded us from.

B'stard Child

28,387 posts

246 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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don4l said:
s2art said:
Not sure if the UK net 10-11 billion contrib would be that problematic. Germany alone could take up the slack. (not that they would want to). The big loss, as you say, is our soft power, hard power, intelligence capability and global influenced.
Once we take control of our own foreign policy we will have more global influence.
Looking at the shares performance of companies manufacturing military equipment the share price seems to be climbing.....

Perhaps a good time to stick a few quid into BAE Systems UK

That's how trade deals are really brokered isn't it - it's either AID or ARMS that are the deal makers and I'm not sure the Red Cross or Medecins sans Frontieres actually have shares you can trade

danllama

5,728 posts

142 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Who can blame them. If I were them, I wouldn't want us there either.

We should be on the equivalent of gardening leave....we officially haven't gone yet but don't bother turning up in the meantime because we're well rid of you.
Well they may want to think carefully about burning bridges wink
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