16 Word Brexit Begins Bill
Discussion
crankedup said:
Agreed, if Government fail in the eyes of Brexiteers to take us out of the EU in a clean cut then they know that come General Election they are toast. Should the Lords frustrate the will of the people they will find the people exerting pressure on the Government to seek major reforms
Surely it depends on how the voting goes, if most Torys vote for article 50 and most Labour/Libs vote against it, it will demonstrate that the Torys are trying to follow the will of the people and it will not weaken their position.Also as others have said lack of credible opposition will counter any Brexit decision.
esxste said:
People think I'm crazy, but the reason why Theresa May is chasing this in the courts is because establishing Royal Prerogative to withdraw from treaties that confer rights to British Citizens will make it all the easier for her to remove us from the ECHR.
We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
What is wrong with us leaving the ECHR and having a British bill of rights?We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
Derek Smith said:
It seems odd that the HoL, the institution that all parties reckon is antiquated and should be ended, continues to exist. It is almost as if the MPs want it to remain, for whatever reason.
Same reason so many are reluctant to leave the EU, in these institutions, the piggies see potential future troughs.esxste said:
People think I'm crazy, but the reason why Theresa May is chasing this in the courts is because establishing Royal Prerogative to withdraw from treaties that confer rights to British Citizens will make it all the easier for her to remove us from the ECHR.
We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
Still, it's not all bad news. I have shares in Bacofoil...We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
///ajd said:
16 words:
"The UK government will invoke Article 50, do not pass go and do not collect £200."
It sounds like it is almost designed to annoy those who have concerns over what will happen - I suspect there is little chance a majority will pass such a brief bill without serious debate over what the consequences and objectives will be.
This is so unlikely to be passed without amendment and some detail that May must know this and is playing for time and an excuse to blame others for frustrating brexit.
Making lots of people resent those who are questioning how brexit is done or ruling it must be done properly (see vilification of judges) is a good tactic for May both for her own popularity and to avoid / put off the inevitable s
t storm of disappointment that is around the corner as the brexit terms become clearer.
57 words ...PHEW! And no punctuation. At all. "The UK government will invoke Article 50, do not pass go and do not collect £200."
It sounds like it is almost designed to annoy those who have concerns over what will happen - I suspect there is little chance a majority will pass such a brief bill without serious debate over what the consequences and objectives will be.
This is so unlikely to be passed without amendment and some detail that May must know this and is playing for time and an excuse to blame others for frustrating brexit.
Making lots of people resent those who are questioning how brexit is done or ruling it must be done properly (see vilification of judges) is a good tactic for May both for her own popularity and to avoid / put off the inevitable s
t storm of disappointment that is around the corner as the brexit terms become clearer.
School's out for ever.
Get yourself educated Slasher, before trying to educate the rest of us!
dandarez said:
///ajd said:
16 words:
"The UK government will invoke Article 50, do not pass go and do not collect £200."
It sounds like it is almost designed to annoy those who have concerns over what will happen - I suspect there is little chance a majority will pass such a brief bill without serious debate over what the consequences and objectives will be.
This is so unlikely to be passed without amendment and some detail that May must know this and is playing for time and an excuse to blame others for frustrating brexit.
Making lots of people resent those who are questioning how brexit is done or ruling it must be done properly (see vilification of judges) is a good tactic for May both for her own popularity and to avoid / put off the inevitable st storm of disappointment that is around the corner as the brexit terms become clearer.
57 words ...PHEW! And no punctuation. At all. "The UK government will invoke Article 50, do not pass go and do not collect £200."
It sounds like it is almost designed to annoy those who have concerns over what will happen - I suspect there is little chance a majority will pass such a brief bill without serious debate over what the consequences and objectives will be.
This is so unlikely to be passed without amendment and some detail that May must know this and is playing for time and an excuse to blame others for frustrating brexit.
Making lots of people resent those who are questioning how brexit is done or ruling it must be done properly (see vilification of judges) is a good tactic for May both for her own popularity and to avoid / put off the inevitable s
t storm of disappointment that is around the corner as the brexit terms become clearer.Corpulent Tosser said:
Surely it depends on how the voting goes, if most Torys vote for article 50 and most Labour/Libs vote against it, it will demonstrate that the Torys are trying to follow the will of the people and it will not weaken their position.
Also as others have said lack of credible opposition will counter any Brexit decision.
There is little evidence any significant number of Labour MPs will vote against it. Too many of them are sitting in Constituencies with large Leave votes. Some may abstain.Also as others have said lack of credible opposition will counter any Brexit decision.
You have, possibly, about 20-30 Tory MPs who might vote against - most at the end of their careers. People like Ken Clarke. On the other side you have some Labour MPs who campaigned for Leave plus the DUP/UUP etc. so, frank;y, the likely Tory dissenters are balanced out on the other side anyway.
I think you can assume the SNP will vote against which is fair enough as they voted against the referendum. The LibDems will probably vote against which is two faced as they voted for the referendum. You then have about 20-30 die hard Labour Remainers (mainly from London).
So, we have:
Approx 290 Tories, 20 odd Labour, 7-8 DUP/UUP versus 56 SNP, 8 LibDems, 20-30 odd Tory and a few Labour.
eatcustard said:
esxste said:
People think I'm crazy, but the reason why Theresa May is chasing this in the courts is because establishing Royal Prerogative to withdraw from treaties that confer rights to British Citizens will make it all the easier for her to remove us from the ECHR.
We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
What is wrong with us leaving the ECHR and having a British bill of rights?We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
confused_buyer said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Surely it depends on how the voting goes, if most Torys vote for article 50 and most Labour/Libs vote against it, it will demonstrate that the Torys are trying to follow the will of the people and it will not weaken their position.
Also as others have said lack of credible opposition will counter any Brexit decision.
There is little evidence any significant number of Labour MPs will vote against it. Too many of them are sitting in Constituencies with large Leave votes. Some may abstain.Also as others have said lack of credible opposition will counter any Brexit decision.
You have, possibly, about 20-30 Tory MPs who might vote against - most at the end of their careers. People like Ken Clarke. On the other side you have some Labour MPs who campaigned for Leave plus the DUP/UUP etc. so, frank;y, the likely Tory dissenters are balanced out on the other side anyway.
I think you can assume the SNP will vote against which is fair enough as they voted against the referendum. The LibDems will probably vote against which is two faced as they voted for the referendum. You then have about 20-30 die hard Labour Remainers (mainly from London).
So, we have:
Approx 290 Tories, 20 odd Labour, 7-8 DUP/UUP versus 56 SNP, 8 LibDems, 20-30 odd Tory and a few Labour.
JawKnee said:
What would you change in the ECHR?
Why does that matter in the context of what he posed? But in answer...one main thing. The UK's ability to govern itself, and not be told by some "higher supreme power" what it has to do. Encapsulated in "sovereignty".
IIRC much of the ECHR legislation emanated from the UK anyway. So a question to you - why are you concerned about the UK having it's own bill that is supreme?
Digga said:
Derek Smith said:
It seems odd that the HoL, the institution that all parties reckon is antiquated and should be ended, continues to exist. It is almost as if the MPs want it to remain, for whatever reason.
Same reason so many are reluctant to leave the EU, in these institutions, the piggies see potential future troughs.eatcustard said:
esxste said:
People think I'm crazy, but the reason why Theresa May is chasing this in the courts is because establishing Royal Prerogative to withdraw from treaties that confer rights to British Citizens will make it all the easier for her to remove us from the ECHR.
We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
What is wrong with us leaving the ECHR and having a British bill of rights?We're headed for dark times... and the masses apparently are too vacant to see it. They'll see it soon enough.
Einion Yrth said:
Soov535 said:
Bill relating to invocation of Article 50. said:
HM Government shall carry out the mandate given by referendum on [date] and shall invoke Article 50 forthwith.
£5000 please.The OP clearly said 16 words Brexit begins Bill
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