Daughter of EU official raped and murdered by Migrant
Discussion
don4l said:
The German Police are blaming uncontrolled immigration for the murder.
A German police union, not the German police.Daily Mail said:
The chairman of the DPoIG police union, Rainer Wendt, said Maria Ladenburger's killing could have been prevented.
He told Bild newspaper: 'We wouldn't have this victim, and so many others, if our country had been better prepared for the dangers that always go along with massive immigration.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001266/Th...He told Bild newspaper: 'We wouldn't have this victim, and so many others, if our country had been better prepared for the dangers that always go along with massive immigration.'
What I find shocking is that her parnets are senior eu officals and are one of the main supporters of bring these poor innocent young men into Europe. They continue after this to believe that allowing more in is still a good idea. Then instead of merkel and the german police issues statements that any migrant that carries out these crimes will get punished no its we will monitier facebook/twitter for hateful comments about it wtf.
How as Germany got into the state it is are they that scared of there own citizens fuelling hate speech but aren't scared of the migrants doing these crimes it beggers belief.
How as Germany got into the state it is are they that scared of there own citizens fuelling hate speech but aren't scared of the migrants doing these crimes it beggers belief.
What I don't get is, Merkel opened the borders to migrants from outside of the EU, as Germany (apparently) needed to prop up its ageing and decreasing population.
If migrants were needed, why didn't she try to entice youths from Spain, or Portugal, or Italy, or Greece, or any of the other countries WITHIN the EU that has rampant youth unemployment?
If she had, then there's a high chance that poor young girl would still be alive, and the Cologne sex attacks would never have happened. God knows what else has happened that's been hidden by the mainstream media.
To think, if it wasn't for the internet, social media, and video sharing websites such as youtube, we'd be in the dark to most things that have happened.
Germany even condemned the newspapers that reported the Cologne sex attacks as inciting racial hatred. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-ge...
If migrants were needed, why didn't she try to entice youths from Spain, or Portugal, or Italy, or Greece, or any of the other countries WITHIN the EU that has rampant youth unemployment?
If she had, then there's a high chance that poor young girl would still be alive, and the Cologne sex attacks would never have happened. God knows what else has happened that's been hidden by the mainstream media.
To think, if it wasn't for the internet, social media, and video sharing websites such as youtube, we'd be in the dark to most things that have happened.
Germany even condemned the newspapers that reported the Cologne sex attacks as inciting racial hatred. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-ge...
EarlOfHazard said:
What I don't get is, Merkel opened the borders to migrants from outside of the EU, as Germany (apparently) needed to prop up its ageing and decreasing population.
If migrants were needed, why didn't she try to entice youths from Spain, or Portugal, or Italy, or Greece, or any of the other countries WITHIN the EU that has rampant youth unemployment?
She didn't open their borders to the Syrians to prop up their population, she did it for humanitarian reasons and to set an example to the rest of Europe about helping the unfortunates.If migrants were needed, why didn't she try to entice youths from Spain, or Portugal, or Italy, or Greece, or any of the other countries WITHIN the EU that has rampant youth unemployment?
Backfired spectacularly but the sentiment was altruistic
Not sure it really matters where the bloke was from, uncontrolled borders and immigration are a gift to criminals.
A known criminal can move away from where he was active and pretty much start with a clean sheet.
We need migration in this country for industry, especially manufacturing but I do not understand why there seems no effort at background checks for those coming here to live and work.
A known criminal can move away from where he was active and pretty much start with a clean sheet.
We need migration in this country for industry, especially manufacturing but I do not understand why there seems no effort at background checks for those coming here to live and work.
Dindoit said:
don4l said:
The German Police are blaming uncontrolled immigration for the murder.
A German police union, not the German police.Daily Mail said:
The chairman of the DPoIG police union, Rainer Wendt, said Maria Ladenburger's killing could have been prevented.
He told Bild newspaper: 'We wouldn't have this victim, and so many others, if our country had been better prepared for the dangers that always go along with massive immigration.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001266/Th...He told Bild newspaper: 'We wouldn't have this victim, and so many others, if our country had been better prepared for the dangers that always go along with massive immigration.'
Greg66 said:
Digga said:
2.5 times more likely is a lot.
Not really. As BSR says, making a very small chance 2.5 times more probable means it stays a very small chance. Eg: take the National Lottery chances of winning as 15 million to 1 per tickey. If I buy three tickets, my chances come down to 5 million to 1. Not great.
Whereas my chances of throwing a 6 with a dice are 1 in 6, and if I increase those chances by 2.5 times, I'm close to a coin flip.
Think about it for a second before dismissing it as a non-issue this time.
blindswelledrat said:
She didn't open their borders to the Syrians to prop up their population, she did it for humanitarian reasons and to set an example to the rest of Europe about helping the unfortunates.
Backfired spectacularly but the sentiment was altruistic
I'm not sure it was entirely altruistic. I think it was also idealistic and populist (to a certain sector) and runs parallel to the left-liberal consensus within European politics. Not, IMHO, entirely right, not entirely wrong. However the way in which Merkel did this overtly was utterly stupid and has caused a great deal of anguish and suffering to a great many EU nations, not to mention refugees who were thereby encouraged to make the trip and preyed upon by traffickers.Backfired spectacularly but the sentiment was altruistic
Digga said:
. However the way in which Merkel did this overtly was utterly stupid and has caused a great deal of anguish and suffering to a great many EU nations, not to mention refugees who were thereby encouraged to make the trip and preyed upon by traffickers.
I think even she would agree with this with hindsightEarlOfHazard said:
What I don't get is, Merkel opened the borders to migrants from outside of the EU, as Germany (apparently) needed to prop up its ageing and decreasing population.
If migrants were needed, why didn't she try to entice youths from Spain, or Portugal, or Italy, or Greece, or any of the other countries WITHIN the EU that has rampant youth unemployment?
I think that was just used as an argument to subdue the masses. If migrants were needed, why didn't she try to entice youths from Spain, or Portugal, or Italy, or Greece, or any of the other countries WITHIN the EU that has rampant youth unemployment?
The German Left & Left-Centre still have deep issues & guilt over their past, they equated those migrants running from Syria to the refugee escaping from Hitler and all logical reasoning went out of the window.
I've said it here before, but it bears repeating. As far as mass immigration and immigrant communities, the Germans are relatively green and naive compared to the likes of the UK and France. So they really did not (perhaps still do not) understand the issues of integration and imported squalor that can develop, if not correctly managed.
FWIW, the Casey report published here in the UK this week is, to many people (both indigenous UK and first or second generation immigrant) about 30 years too late.
FWIW, the Casey report published here in the UK this week is, to many people (both indigenous UK and first or second generation immigrant) about 30 years too late.
BIANCO said:
Amateurish said:
Innocent until proven guilty! A migrant has been arrested on suspicion of rape and murder. Your post title is misleading and inflamatory.
I note that the Express is the only paper whose headline does not refer to 'arrest' or 'suspicion'.
It says he's admitted to doing it.I note that the Express is the only paper whose headline does not refer to 'arrest' or 'suspicion'.
"AN Afghan migrant has admitted the rape and murder of a medical student, who also worked voluntarily at a refugee centre".
Digga said:
I've said it here before, but it bears repeating. As far as mass immigration and immigrant communities, the Germans are relatively green and naive compared to the likes of the UK and France. So they really did not (perhaps still do not) understand the issues of integration and imported squalor that can develop, if not correctly managed.
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I'll agree again. The colonial history of these 3 nations is completely different and could well have influenced current events. .
BIANCO said:
It says he's admitted to doing it.
a) What's the source? May not be true that he has confessed.b) Even if he did confess, may not be true.
c) Even if he did confess and mean it, he is still to be presumed innocent until he pleads guilty or is found guilty.
Every other paper, apart from the Express, appears to have grasped this concept.
BIANCO said:
Amateurish said:
Innocent until proven guilty! A migrant has been arrested on suspicion of rape and murder. Your post title is misleading and inflamatory.
I note that the Express is the only paper whose headline does not refer to 'arrest' or 'suspicion'.
It says he's admitted to doing it.I note that the Express is the only paper whose headline does not refer to 'arrest' or 'suspicion'.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-05/germany-o...
It did also point out that police had fairly robust forensic and DNA evidence.
Digga said:
'm not sure it was entirely altruistic. I think it was also idealistic and populist (to a certain sector) and runs parallel to the left-liberal consensus within European politics. Not, IMHO, entirely right, not entirely wrong. However the way in which Merkel did this overtly was utterly stupid and has caused a great deal of anguish and suffering to a great many EU nations, not to mention refugees who were thereby encouraged to make the trip and preyed upon by traffickers.
ThisAmateurish said:
a) What's the source? May not be true that he has confessed.
b) Even if he did confess, may not be true.
c) Even if he did confess and mean it, he is still to be presumed innocent until he pleads guilty or is found guilty.
Every other paper, apart from the Express, appears to have grasped this concept.
Perhaps you have a point after all, well in part anyway so half an apology due perhaps.b) Even if he did confess, may not be true.
c) Even if he did confess and mean it, he is still to be presumed innocent until he pleads guilty or is found guilty.
Every other paper, apart from the Express, appears to have grasped this concept.
"Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year."
"However, prosecutors say he can still change his plea and it's unknown if he has admitted raping Maria."
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