Daughter of EU official raped and murdered by Migrant
Discussion
///ajd said:
It is a terrible story.
I've been to Freiburg a few times and I always considered it a very safe place.
Glad to see one post deleted that was in very poor taste. As every month goes by post referendum, I realise the problem this country and its media has with demonizing immigrants is way worse than I ever imagined.
I've been to Freiburg a few times and I always considered it a very safe place.
Glad to see one post deleted that was in very poor taste. As every month goes by post referendum, I realise the problem this country and its media has with demonizing immigrants is way worse than I ever imagined.
///ajd said:
Trabi601 said:
Would this have even been posted if he'd been a white German national?
No, its the express selling papers to those who like demonizing immigrants. A lot of UKIP fans presumably.
Is it a self perpetuating loop?
Anti-immigrant story > more anti-immigration feeling with readers > readers want more stories to confirm anti-immigration bias > and repeat into a national frenzy.
You know, once your posts were amusing but since June you've really lost all reason and, as I've said before, you really need to take a long hard look at yourself and seek some help.
///ajd said:
Trabi601 said:
Would this have even been posted if he'd been a white German national?
No, its the express selling papers to those who like demonizing immigrants. A lot of UKIP fans presumably.
Is it a self perpetuating loop?
Anti-immigrant story > more anti-immigration feeling with readers > readers want more stories to confirm anti-immigration bias > and repeat into a national frenzy.
///ajd said:
It is a terrible story.
I've been to Freiburg a few times and I always considered it a very safe place.
Glad to see one post deleted that was in very poor taste. As every month goes by post referendum, I realise the problem this country and its media has with demonizing immigrants is way worse than I ever imagined.
Seek help urgently.I've been to Freiburg a few times and I always considered it a very safe place.
Glad to see one post deleted that was in very poor taste. As every month goes by post referendum, I realise the problem this country and its media has with demonizing immigrants is way worse than I ever imagined.
Trabi601 said:
BIANCO said:
The point is it was a needless tragedy which could have been prevented by not letting this little s
t face and his friends into their country in the first place. Its newsworthy because millions of people have been screaming what the fk are we doing it's going to end in tears for years.
Forgetting the reason why there are so many immigrants coming over here... it's a problem created by the West.t face and his friends into their country in the first place. Its newsworthy because millions of people have been screaming what the fk are we doing it's going to end in tears for years.It's a tragic case, but this forum, in particular, will seek out 'immigrant' stories, whilst similar crimes committed by white Westerners are ignored.
This was only posted so the OP could justify their unpleasant views.
Once again, having the audacity to mention a story of this nature, insinuations are immediately cast
I do not post in this subsection of the forum and having done so now, I don't think I'll bother again.
In Germany news regarding crime of this nature is often either not reported or delayed; often I see these things posted elsewhere from UK media before I even hear of it over here.
Born in Germany, living in Germany over 25 years and speaking the language, perhaps I have a somewhat closer to home feeling towards this tragic story. Fortunately I live in an area of Germany where there is virtually zero crime. The Germans in my experience are a wonderful, kind and caring group of people. This is such a tragic waste of a life and if it was one of my daughter's, I'd certainly be calling into question whether the current immigration policy is the most appropriate way of dealing with this crisis. Had the perpetrator of this crime not been freely allowed to enter, this young girl would still be with us today.
RIP to the poor girl.
BIANCO said:
The point is it was a needless tragedy which could have been prevented by not letting this little st face and his friends into their country in the first place. Its newsworthy because millions of people have been screaming what the fk are we doing it's going to end in tears for years.
Where do the attacker's "friends" fit into this? The report suggests this was an attack by a lone attacker. t face and his friends into their country in the first place. Its newsworthy because millions of people have been screaming what the fk are we doing it's going to end in tears for years.Greg66 said:
BIANCO said:
The point is it was a needless tragedy which could have been prevented by not letting this little st face and his friends into their country in the first place. Its newsworthy because millions of people have been screaming what the fk are we doing it's going to end in tears for years.
Where do the attacker's "friends" fit into this? The report suggests this was an attack by a lone attacker. t face and his friends into their country in the first place. Its newsworthy because millions of people have been screaming what the fk are we doing it's going to end in tears for years.
combi14 said:
That's a disappointing response
But a valid one. "unaccompanied minor migrant", who'd passed (illegally) through how many safe countries before arriving in Germany?
Sadly, within the million immigrants accepted into Germany, with no checks made on who they are etc, there will be hundreds if not thousands or "wrong uns".
///ajd said:
It is a terrible story.
I've been to Freiburg a few times and I always considered it a very safe place.
Glad to see one post deleted that was in very poor taste. As every month goes by post referendum, I realise the problem this country and its media has with demonizing immigrants is way worse than I ever imagined.
You do know the removed post was one of "your mates'"? I've been to Freiburg a few times and I always considered it a very safe place.
Glad to see one post deleted that was in very poor taste. As every month goes by post referendum, I realise the problem this country and its media has with demonizing immigrants is way worse than I ever imagined.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Trabi, you do not know me nor my views, so if I were you, I'd perhaps consider retracting the last line of your post.
Once again, having the audacity to mention a story of this nature, insinuations are immediately cast
I do not post in this subsection of the forum and having done so now, I don't think I'll bother again.
Don't take it personally. These idiots still think that insinuating everyone who disagrees with them is a horrible, uneducated, racist wins a prize.Once again, having the audacity to mention a story of this nature, insinuations are immediately cast
I do not post in this subsection of the forum and having done so now, I don't think I'll bother again.
Trabi601 said:
This thread was only posted for the immigrant fearing PH masses to further spread their hate and fear.
Trabi you are an idiotic fool, you and your ilk are mostly to blame for the rise is the issues that concern you as dialogue and working with people of differing opinion is not in your remit; although you profess to the contrary. Just look in this thread alone, you and many of the other 6-7 month PHer's that have appeared here only to act in the same pathetic manner. My wife comes from Uzbekistan, we speak 3 languages at home, I have spent considerable time in the last month involved with 13 recent immigrant adults (Kosovo, Pakistan, Syrian, Polish, Azerbaijan, Hungary...). I make around 200 flights per year with work often in North African Islamic countries, where I have made numerous friends. My wife has done voluntary work to help an Armenian and Syrian family (translation and other social integration help). I have British, French and Polish roots, served for Her Majesty, yet for reasons known only to you, I am somehow a racist for showing concerns of the immigration policy thrust upon EU citizens.
Please for your own good try engaging your brain before spouting such utter tripe.
So why was this tread posted then? Nobody complained about immigration when people came here to do the jobs the locals wouldn't do.
There are always bad apples in any society you only have to listen to the news about young footballers being abused.
The abusers are British white males maybe we should send them to a penal colony.
There are always bad apples in any society you only have to listen to the news about young footballers being abused.
The abusers are British white males maybe we should send them to a penal colony.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Trabi601 said:
This thread was only posted for the immigrant fearing PH masses to further spread their hate and fear.
Trabi you are an idiotic fool, you and your ilk are mostly to blame for the rise is the issues that concern you as dialogue and working with people of differing opinion is not in your remit; although you profess to the contrary. Just look in this thread alone, you and many of the other 6-7 month PHer's that have appeared here only to act in the same pathetic manner. My wife comes from Uzbekistan, we speak 3 languages at home, I have spent considerable time in the last month involved with 13 recent immigrant adults (Kosovo, Pakistan, Syrian, Polish, Azerbaijan, Hungary...). I make around 200 flights per year with work often in North African Islamic countries, where I have made numerous friends. My wife has done voluntary work to help an Armenian and Syrian family (translation and other social integration help). I have British, French and Polish roots, served for Her Majesty, yet for reasons known only to you, I am somehow a racist for showing concerns of the immigration policy thrust upon EU citizens.
Please for your own good try engaging your brain before spouting such utter tripe.
Why did you feel the need to post this? - particularly linking to a story posted by a hate filled, borderline racist publication?
What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
Trabi601 said:
Why did you feel the need to post this? - particularly linking to a story posted by a hate filled, borderline racist publication?
What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
I wish you would let us know where you got that information, I can't seem to find the statistic for how many rigorously checked immigrants have criminal pasts in their countries of origin. TBH I can't even find reliable information on how many are in which country.What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
Trabi601 said:
We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
No "we" don't, but if you and Tony Blair want to go over and help in these 3rd world hell holes that's entirely up to you, leave the rest of us alone please.Is it fair to say Trabi is arguing that this poor girl could have been raped regardless... it just do happens that the perpetrator was an immigrant?
What are the levels of rape/murder among immigrants compared to German nationals? Or is it racist to suggest that there "might" be a problem?
What are the levels of rape/murder among immigrants compared to German nationals? Or is it racist to suggest that there "might" be a problem?
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
I am somehow a racist for showing concerns of the immigration policy thrust upon EU citizens.
You can argue Merkels remarks made it German policy but mass irregular immigrantion was not a policy of any other EU country. Might want to take your own advice.CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Please for your own good try engaging your brain before spouting such utter tripe.
Trabi601 said:
Why did you feel the need to post this? - particularly linking to a story posted by a hate filled, borderline racist publication?
What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
Rape and Murder always gets headlines, and it is both mercifully rare and a horrific crime. Regardless of the perpetrator. What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
I don't think the father of that poor girl will take any comfort that it is a "very insignificant percentage"
The line "we have often bombed their countries into submission" Is just the worst kind of white guilt nonsense I have seen on here recently. Most of the current migrants and economic, plain and simple. I don't think the UK has "often" bombed EU Countries.
In any case, lets suppose we did bomb your country, you came here to escape being bombed (by us) we accepted you into the country, but morally you think it is then OK for that person to commit crimes - is that what you are saying ?
I don't the UK has a global responsibility to sort out the mess, you can't have it both ways, this comment from you sounds wierdly imperialistic, and I am pretty sure you aren't a fan of "Empire"
The point of the story, is that a horrible crime was committed, it highlights the impact on the standing population but a small minority who may not always share the same norms of behaviour. It may be an isolated case, but not reporting it would be wrong.
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