Daughter of EU official raped and murdered by Migrant
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
To be fair, the Mail and express aren't shy in publishing stories from white eu nationals in the UK!I think the wider point of this incident, is the question of what checks are taking place on these migrants. Are they deeply assessed thoroughly by expert councillors/shrinks prior to their acceptance for any underlying issues/attitudes, or just tick boxed on asylum eligibility.
If a fellow countryman commits a crime, it is our problem. If a migrant commits a crime, it is a problem we could have avoided.
combi14 said:
Poor girl... RIP
Let's hope this thread doesn't descend into a political point scoring exercise
Too late. 9th reply was having a dig at UKIP voters. Let's hope this thread doesn't descend into a political point scoring exercise
Whilst there are some people ready to blame anyone "brown", there are also those who long for these stories so they can get on their high horse about "RACIST!". Both sides as bad as each other.
RIP indeed. What a horrific thing to happen, regardless of the perpetrator.
Trabi601 said:
Why did you feel the need to post this? - particularly linking to a story posted by a hate filled, borderline racist publication?
What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
Is everything in your life so binary? Why do I have to have 'an agenda'? - If inadequate measures are in place to prevent such a tragic crime and I feel the political establishment have insufficient risk assessment procedures in place, to prevent this type of event occurring; does not equal I have an agenda.What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
I just cannot fathom how you can be so ridiculous with your judgement.
In answer to some of the other strange questions you raise:
-I do not know of any other white nationals that have raped and murdered EU officials daughter's to link for you.
-I did not agree with any of the recent invasions of other countries and is the reason I left HM forces in 2004. I do not agree with UK government foreign policy in many respects.
-Your 'black friend's' comment is stupid beyond belief considering the info I provided to you in my previous post
-Do not preach to me about sorting out this mess; I have done my own personal fair share in helping out other's less fortunate than myself as already detailed. I guess you only preach the message, not that I care either way.
-What the hell has colour got to do with anything here. You do realise there are white Non-EU citizens on this planet.
Trying to converse with somebody with your mind-set is practically impossible. You can keep labelling me or others till you are blue in the face but it still isn't going to alter the fact that I am not what you are insinuating.
As already mentioned, the more you carry on in this vein the stronger the wave of what you are trying to supress will rise - see Trump, Brexit and Italy for evidence!
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Trabi601 said:
This thread was only posted for the immigrant fearing PH masses to further spread their hate and fear.
Trabi you are an idiotic fool, you and your ilk are mostly to blame for the rise is the issues that concern you as dialogue and working with people of differing opinion is not in your remit; although you profess to the contrary. Just look in this thread alone, you and many of the other 6-7 month PHer's that have appeared here only to act in the same pathetic manner. My wife comes from Uzbekistan, we speak 3 languages at home, I have spent considerable time in the last month involved with 13 recent immigrant adults (Kosovo, Pakistan, Syrian, Polish, Azerbaijan, Hungary...). I make around 200 flights per year with work often in North African Islamic countries, where I have made numerous friends. My wife has done voluntary work to help an Armenian and Syrian family (translation and other social integration help). I have British, French and Polish roots, served for Her Majesty, yet for reasons known only to you, I am somehow a racist for showing concerns of the immigration policy thrust upon EU citizens.
Please for your own good try engaging your brain before spouting such utter tripe.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Also nothing on Sky/BBC TV news, could this have anything to do with the Austrian and Italian elections taking place also today
If you google her name (Maria Ladenburger) it's only right-leaning and often migrant demonising media reporting the story. Express, Telegraph, DM, Times, Breitbart, Pamela Geller(!)Have all of the left-leaning or neutral (e.g. Reuters) clubbed together to agree to not report the story at all? I don't buy the conspiracy myself.
It's a sad story but I'm certain there are lots of tragic tales that go unreported across all but local media. I find the told-you-so glee that certain media outlets and posters have come out with quite distasteful.
They're not upset that a young girl has been raped and killed, if they are where is the Bowe Maddigan thread? They're taking the Muslim immigrant factor and jumping on it. All the better since she's the daughter of an EU official. "See??? I was right all along!!!!"
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Is everything in your life so binary? Why do I have to have 'an agenda'? - If inadequate measures are in place to prevent such a tragic crime and I feel the political establishment have insufficient risk assessment procedures in place, to prevent this type of event occurring; does not equal I have an agenda.
I just cannot fathom how you can be so ridiculous with your judgement.
In answer to some of the other strange questions you raise:
-I do not know of any other white nationals that have raped and murdered EU officials daughter's to link for you.
-I did not agree with any of the recent invasions of other countries and is the reason I left HM forces in 2004. I do not agree with UK government foreign policy in many respects.
-Your 'black friend's' comment is stupid beyond belief considering the info I provided to you in my previous post
-Do not preach to me about sorting out this mess; I have done my own personal fair share in helping out other's less fortunate than myself as already detailed. I guess you only preach the message, not that I care either way.
-What the hell has colour got to do with anything here. You do realise there are white Non-EU citizens on this planet.
Trying to converse with somebody with your mind-set is practically impossible. You can keep labelling me or others till you are blue in the face but it still isn't going to alter the fact that I am not what you are insinuating.
As already mentioned, the more you carry on in this vein the stronger the wave of what you are trying to supress will rise - see Trump, Brexit and Italy for evidence!
I just cannot fathom how you can be so ridiculous with your judgement.
In answer to some of the other strange questions you raise:
-I do not know of any other white nationals that have raped and murdered EU officials daughter's to link for you.
-I did not agree with any of the recent invasions of other countries and is the reason I left HM forces in 2004. I do not agree with UK government foreign policy in many respects.
-Your 'black friend's' comment is stupid beyond belief considering the info I provided to you in my previous post
-Do not preach to me about sorting out this mess; I have done my own personal fair share in helping out other's less fortunate than myself as already detailed. I guess you only preach the message, not that I care either way.
-What the hell has colour got to do with anything here. You do realise there are white Non-EU citizens on this planet.
Trying to converse with somebody with your mind-set is practically impossible. You can keep labelling me or others till you are blue in the face but it still isn't going to alter the fact that I am not what you are insinuating.
As already mentioned, the more you carry on in this vein the stronger the wave of what you are trying to supress will rise - see Trump, Brexit and Italy for evidence!
Trabi601 said:
Why did you feel the need to post this? - particularly linking to a story posted by a hate filled, borderline racist publication?
What *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
You're a twenty something lefty cretin who's been here 5 minutes and who knows fWhat *is* your agenda here?
Why haven't you linked to similar stories involving white EU nationals?
'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' hasn't been an admissible defence since about 1978.
Yes, some immigrants are bad people, but we've often bombed their countries into submission, encourage the rise of extremist groups, and driven people from their own lands. We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
Would this have been somehow a lesser and less newsworthy event if a white EU national had committed it?
Remember, we are talking a very insignificant percentage of 'bad' immigrants here.
k all about fk all. Do one. 
KrissKross said:
Trabi601 said:
We have a responsibility on a global scale to sort out the mess we've often made when dabbling in foreign affairs.
No "we" don't, but if you and Tony Blair want to go over and help in these 3rd world hell holes that's entirely up to you, leave the rest of us alone please.Jasandjules said:
Trabi601 said:
Forgetting the reason why there are so many immigrants coming over here... it's a problem created by the West.
How dare you suggest that this girl was raped because of anything "created" by the West.zygalski said:
An immigrant is 5 times more likely to be a rapist than a national.
I read that somewhere...
'course you did.I read that somewhere...
What about murder?
Finland is going up in the stakes of murder of females. Immigrants or nationals?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/04/thre...
now a British girl murdered.
By a Brit? No. By a Fin national? No.
Apparently a Czech.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/05/br...
HerrSchnell said:
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Trabi601 said:
This thread was only posted for the immigrant fearing PH masses to further spread their hate and fear.
Trabi you are an idiotic fool, you and your ilk are mostly to blame for the rise is the issues that concern you as dialogue and working with people of differing opinion is not in your remit; although you profess to the contrary. Just look in this thread alone, you and many of the other 6-7 month PHer's that have appeared here only to act in the same pathetic manner. My wife comes from Uzbekistan, we speak 3 languages at home, I have spent considerable time in the last month involved with 13 recent immigrant adults (Kosovo, Pakistan, Syrian, Polish, Azerbaijan, Hungary...). I make around 200 flights per year with work often in North African Islamic countries, where I have made numerous friends. My wife has done voluntary work to help an Armenian and Syrian family (translation and other social integration help). I have British, French and Polish roots, served for Her Majesty, yet for reasons known only to you, I am somehow a racist for showing concerns of the immigration policy thrust upon EU citizens.
Please for your own good try engaging your brain before spouting such utter tripe.
With respect, you've used the word 'debate', and for the purposes of argument I will assume that was the word you fully intended.
A debate requires, at the least, two opposing views.
I tend to find Trabi601's comments too far to that side of the argument as well, and pretty much the stock views/statements of the "you're all racist xenophobes" camp.
I may be wrong about Traibi601 on this. It's just an initial impression.
Accepting CarreraLightweightRacing's statement about himself and his wife are true, and I certainly have no reason to do otherwise, a powerful rebuttal has been made.
From my own group of friends and close acquaintances, which are immigrants, come some of the strongest arguments against the EU open boarders and recent/current immigration policies of the European west.
However, if a forum isn't a place for alternate points of view, then it becomes an echo chamber of like minded individuals simply reinforcing their own views without challenge.
That is the sort of 'environment' that makes for very poorly articulated arguments.
You must go to battle with your opponent. Hear their views, consider them. Improve your own arguments.
Sun Tzu for the mind.
May I suggest the alternative;
He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.
John Stuart Mill
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