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Having read the following articles that state the current X26 that is issued is outdated and spares are becoming harder to source. The newer version is meant to be a lot more powerful but says both are 50k volts?
Any views on this? Is a new Taser much needed? I did note that the manufacturer stated they should be described as "less lethal" and not "non-lethal" New version features the ability to fire two shots. I always regarded them as less lethal.
Whilst I may not be the biggest fan of our Police Service, I certainly wouldn't wish any harm upon them and anything that lessens injuries and helps fight crime is ok in my mind.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/amber-rudd-to...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/04/ambe...
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Any views on this? Is a new Taser much needed? I did note that the manufacturer stated they should be described as "less lethal" and not "non-lethal" New version features the ability to fire two shots. I always regarded them as less lethal.
Whilst I may not be the biggest fan of our Police Service, I certainly wouldn't wish any harm upon them and anything that lessens injuries and helps fight crime is ok in my mind.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/amber-rudd-to...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/04/ambe...
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It's simply the replacement model even though it's 5 years old itself.
It looks like they've got word 'powerful' from the quote towards the bottom where Steve Tuttle qualifies that he means there's a back-up shot. A little misleading to just place it in the first sentence and not define what they mean by it.
I don't ever recall then being referred to as anything other than 'less lethal' since they came in in '07.
This graph is worth nothing. When data is presented about 'Taser use', the majority of 'uses' is simply drawing the weapon without discharging. What critics fail to note (or ignore), is the category that pretty much is as large as the rest put together, the 'red-dot' one, and the inferences that can be drawn.
What can't be measured is what alternatives would have played out had there not been compliance. I've seen people who would have been 'dogged', batons and / or physically struck who have become compliant and passive through simply been 'red-doted'. I would speculate that the net effect of Taser use is much less harm overall because of scenarios like this.
It looks like they've got word 'powerful' from the quote towards the bottom where Steve Tuttle qualifies that he means there's a back-up shot. A little misleading to just place it in the first sentence and not define what they mean by it.
I don't ever recall then being referred to as anything other than 'less lethal' since they came in in '07.
This graph is worth nothing. When data is presented about 'Taser use', the majority of 'uses' is simply drawing the weapon without discharging. What critics fail to note (or ignore), is the category that pretty much is as large as the rest put together, the 'red-dot' one, and the inferences that can be drawn.
What can't be measured is what alternatives would have played out had there not been compliance. I've seen people who would have been 'dogged', batons and / or physically struck who have become compliant and passive through simply been 'red-doted'. I would speculate that the net effect of Taser use is much less harm overall because of scenarios like this.
Pacman1978 said:
Would Officers have to retrain or requalify with said new model? Do individual forces fund, or .Gov? (off to google..)
(thank you for replying)
You're welcome. And that's a good question as it does operate in a slightly different manner. I don't know the answer. In terms of the funding I think it's been a mixture of standard discretionary funds and ring-fenced Home Office funding. (thank you for replying)
Oops.
Police Taser their own race relations adviser in Bristol. IPCC to investigate incident in which man who worked to improve police links with black community mistaken for wanted man
Police Taser their own race relations adviser in Bristol. IPCC to investigate incident in which man who worked to improve police links with black community mistaken for wanted man
article said:
The neighbour’s video, obtained by ITV News, shows two police officers speaking to Adunbi on the street. He can be heard refusing to give them his name. “I’ve done no wrong,” he tells them. “Leave me alone.”
They tell him they believe him to be someone they are looking for, and there is a clash as he tries to get into the gate of his home. A Taser is then discharged and one of the officers says: “Taser, Taser, Taser. You’ve been Tasered. All right?”
They tell him they believe him to be someone they are looking for, and there is a clash as he tries to get into the gate of his home. A Taser is then discharged and one of the officers says: “Taser, Taser, Taser. You’ve been Tasered. All right?”
BlackLabel said:
Oops.
Police Taser their own race relations adviser in Bristol. IPCC to investigate incident in which man who worked to improve police links with black community mistaken for wanted man
I never understand the "I'm not telling you my name, I've done nothing wrong attitude to the police". It can't be surprising that it raises suspicions.Police Taser their own race relations adviser in Bristol. IPCC to investigate incident in which man who worked to improve police links with black community mistaken for wanted man
article said:
The neighbour’s video, obtained by ITV News, shows two police officers speaking to Adunbi on the street. He can be heard refusing to give them his name. “I’ve done no wrong,” he tells them. “Leave me alone.”
They tell him they believe him to be someone they are looking for, and there is a clash as he tries to get into the gate of his home. A Taser is then discharged and one of the officers says: “Taser, Taser, Taser. You’ve been Tasered. All right?”
They tell him they believe him to be someone they are looking for, and there is a clash as he tries to get into the gate of his home. A Taser is then discharged and one of the officers says: “Taser, Taser, Taser. You’ve been Tasered. All right?”
And you'd think someone tasked with improving relations would be supportive of people being a little more cooperative!
Please, please let him be told to FO if he puts in for compo.
The police have no right to ask your name if you haven't done anything wrong.
If they really want your details they can arrest you and figure it out down at the station with the appointed solicitor.
as they love to say, "anything you say can be used AGAINST you" ... not to help you.
Best to say nothnig
If they really want your details they can arrest you and figure it out down at the station with the appointed solicitor.
as they love to say, "anything you say can be used AGAINST you" ... not to help you.
Best to say nothnig
BlackLabel said:
Oops.
Police Taser their own race relations adviser in Bristol. IPCC to investigate incident in which man who worked to improve police links with black community mistaken for wanted man
What a load of sPolice Taser their own race relations adviser in Bristol. IPCC to investigate incident in which man who worked to improve police links with black community mistaken for wanted man
article said:
The neighbour’s video, obtained by ITV News, shows two police officers speaking to Adunbi on the street. He can be heard refusing to give them his name. “I’ve done no wrong,” he tells them. “Leave me alone.”
They tell him they believe him to be someone they are looking for, and there is a clash as he tries to get into the gate of his home. A Taser is then discharged and one of the officers says: “Taser, Taser, Taser. You’ve been Tasered. All right?”
They tell him they believe him to be someone they are looking for, and there is a clash as he tries to get into the gate of his home. A Taser is then discharged and one of the officers says: “Taser, Taser, Taser. You’ve been Tasered. All right?”
t. Put yourselves in the shoes of the officers, you've got someone you believe is a wanted man refusing to identify themselves and trying to get away from you to go inside their house (where they could have a bazooka for all you know). Of course you are going to stop them, potentially your safety and that of the public is in danger.All Adunbi had to do was give his name, show some ID and he would have been on his way, instead he decided to be all special snowflake and flounce and got 50,000 volts for his social media profile.
Murph7355 said:
I never understand the "I'm not telling you my name, I've done nothing wrong attitude to the police". It can't be surprising that it raises suspicions.
And you'd think someone tasked with improving relations would be supportive of people being a little more cooperative!
Please, please let him be told to FO if he puts in for compo.
Personally I've got no issues in identifying myself but I could understand how if you were stopped fairly frequently it could get tiresome and you'd be within your rights to follow the letter of the law. That said if it got to the point where it was clear they were going to arrest you then it's time to comply rather than trying to fight them. You can always complain about it afterwards if you believe the Police have done wrong.And you'd think someone tasked with improving relations would be supportive of people being a little more cooperative!
Please, please let him be told to FO if he puts in for compo.
As soon as things start getting physical there is only going to be one winner in this scenario and it isn't going to be the citizen whatever the wrongs or rights of the situation.
in my experience.. they arent.
they behave high and mighty \ condescending, and goad you into reacting negatively trying to give themselves an excuse to rough you up.
no comment/no response is the best way to deal with them. give them nothing, and record it all if possible using fb live or periscope or many other recording apps
they behave high and mighty \ condescending, and goad you into reacting negatively trying to give themselves an excuse to rough you up.
no comment/no response is the best way to deal with them. give them nothing, and record it all if possible using fb live or periscope or many other recording apps
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Someone has 'unresolved issues' and I'm not sure it's the police.......if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
There are some stupid comments on PH but have to say this is up there in the top 10 easily.if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
The police were doing their job, they chose to be police officers but this was their job which they do on the behalf of the rest of us. Sometimes it goes well, other times it doesn't sent just like everybody else's job.
They apparently have followed their training and lawful use of force, only an enquiry can find different.
The rest of your comment says more about you than them, a little projection maybe?
Grunt Futtock said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Someone has 'unresolved issues' and I'm not sure it's the police.......if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
I hope they lose their jobs( at the very least ) and the victim is able to sue them for damages
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Critically dumb POV and utterly ignorant. Do you even have a concept how many man days are lost in the police force due to officers injured in the course of physically grappling with criminals?if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Personally, I prefer the emotive and very sound deterrent of big, b
d dogs. There's no arguing with them.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff