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Rovinghawk said:
I'm curious to hear these reasonable grounds.
If they reasonably suspect he's someone who is wanted then they can arrest him. It's as simple as that. Whether you like that or not doesn't matter.
They took a reasonable step by trying to check, but as you and others are so keen to point out (because it's such wonderful advice), he was under no obligation to tell them. Fair enough, but all that does is show the officers tried to escalate and provide a reasonable option, which is powerful justification procedurally and legally.
If he was on an IAG ('race relations adviser' sounds like a job) and had any actual interest in constructively improving race relations, then perhaps he should have told them who he was, gone on his way and made contact directly with point of contact for the IAG (who'll likely be a middle ranked officer) and fed anything he didn't like back through them.
La Liga said:
Rovinghawk said:
I'm curious to hear these reasonable grounds.
If they reasonably suspect he's someone who is wanted then they can arrest him. I'll ask again- what are the reasonable grounds?
At least the female coppers incompetence didn't result in any harm to the dog.
That whole video is cringe worthy, the black dude was stupid, female copper shat it big time.
He deserved it for being awkward but at the same time a taser was totally uncalled for, it just screams of panic and poor training.
If two fit (I use the term lightly as the female looks absolutely useless) can not get a 60+ year old skinny man under arrest without resorting in a Taser then there is something extremely wrong with either-
A) Their ability as a copper
B) Police training.
That whole video is cringe worthy, the black dude was stupid, female copper shat it big time.
He deserved it for being awkward but at the same time a taser was totally uncalled for, it just screams of panic and poor training.
If two fit (I use the term lightly as the female looks absolutely useless) can not get a 60+ year old skinny man under arrest without resorting in a Taser then there is something extremely wrong with either-
A) Their ability as a copper
B) Police training.
Rovinghawk said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
So he should know his absolute easiest option for defusing the situation immediately would have been to just say his name.
"Do as I say or be unlawfully arrested again"? I'm not sure I can support that.Bigends said:
Please dont say you dont think this couldnt have been handled without tasering him - go on try it say they may have been in the wrong you can have your own opinion. Yes I know it was her shout and hopefully she'll never get to handle a taser again
I've already said there are alternatives to every situation. Alternatives at that point have similar / worse medical implications. Takes downs etc. PAVA may have been a better option. Of course they may have been wrong. It depends on all the unknowns. It's down for them to justify.
Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
Rovinghawk said:
I'm curious to hear these reasonable grounds.
If they reasonably suspect he's someone who is wanted then they can arrest him. I'll ask again- what are the reasonable grounds?
Try thinking about things.
Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
Rovinghawk said:
I'm curious to hear these reasonable grounds.
If they reasonably suspect he's someone who is wanted then they can arrest him. I'll ask again- what are the reasonable grounds?
They needed to confirm who he was
He was refusing to tell them
Arrest necessity met as per Pace Code G - to ascertain the persons details
You just dont think its reasonable, but those are the reasonable grounds.
Would you prefer the police just let everyone go when they refuse details?
Greendubber said:
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
It wouldnt be unlawful.
Based on previous history I'd suggest that an unlawful arrest isn't out of the question.Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
Greendubber said:
Why would it be unlawful then?
Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
He has history of being wrongfully arrested- presumably the previous guys who arrested him thought their actions were lawful. Maybe these guys are equally wrong.Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
It wouldnt be unlawful.
Based on previous history I'd suggest that an unlawful arrest isn't out of the question.Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
Of course it would have been for THAT offence, surely you dont need me to tell you that.
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
It wouldnt be unlawful.
Based on previous history I'd suggest that an unlawful arrest isn't out of the question.Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
Of course it would have been for THAT offence, surely you dont need me to tell you that.
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
Why would it be unlawful then?
Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
He has history of being wrongfully arrested- presumably the previous guys who arrested him thought their actions were lawful. Maybe these guys are equally wrong.Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
Maybe they are wrong but I cant see the arrest of a male they suspect tobe wanted and refusing details ever being 'unlawful'
He could go down the unlawful detention route if once in a custody facility no efforts were made to ID him and he was just lobbed in cell for a period of time.
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
It wouldnt be unlawful.
Based on previous history I'd suggest that an unlawful arrest isn't out of the question.Because he's not who they thought he was? Nope, try again as that does not make the arrest unlawful.
Of course it would have been for THAT offence, surely you dont need me to tell you that.
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