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So what was her justification for deploying the Taser?
two to one situation, he's not actively fighting them he's trying to gain entrance to his own property which they are trying to stop.
I don't see him assaulting them, he has no weapon, she doesn't issue a warning before deploying, she shoots him in the face....
What is the threat here? Shoot in case he has a weapon? Are we there now?
two to one situation, he's not actively fighting them he's trying to gain entrance to his own property which they are trying to stop.
I don't see him assaulting them, he has no weapon, she doesn't issue a warning before deploying, she shoots him in the face....
What is the threat here? Shoot in case he has a weapon? Are we there now?
Digga said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Critically dumb POV and utterly ignorant. Do you even have a concept how many man days are lost in the police force due to officers injured in the course of physically grappling with criminals?if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Personally, I prefer the emotive and very sound deterrent of big, b
d dogs. There's no arguing with them.ETA
Play nicely.
Edited by Big Al. on Friday 20th January 16:52
SystemParanoia said:
Grunt Futtock said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Someone has 'unresolved issues' and I'm not sure it's the police.......if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
I hope they lose their jobs( at the very least ) and the victim is able to sue them for damages
It's not hard to cooperate with the police. If the bloke had said 'My name is Jim McBobson, I'm the media relations guy for your force' (or whatever) he wouldn't have got tasered
Refusing to give your name then getting into a physical altercation deserves a taser IMO, better that than a police officer getting stabbed. Bad shot by the female officer, but you can't hit target every time.
Butter Face said:
SystemParanoia said:
Grunt Futtock said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Someone has 'unresolved issues' and I'm not sure it's the police.......if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
I hope they lose their jobs( at the very least ) and the victim is able to sue them for damages
It's not hard to cooperate with the police. If the bloke had said 'My name is Jim McBobson, I'm the media relations guy for your force' (or whatever) he wouldn't have got tasered
Refusing to give your name then getting into a physical altercation deserves a taser IMO, better that than a police officer getting stabbed. Bad shot by the female officer, but you can't hit target every time.
SystemParanoia said:
Digga said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Critically dumb POV and utterly ignorant. Do you even have a concept how many man days are lost in the police force due to officers injured in the course of physically grappling with criminals?if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Personally, I prefer the emotive and very sound deterrent of big, b
d dogs. There's no arguing with them.Digga said:
SystemParanoia said:
Digga said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Critically dumb POV and utterly ignorant. Do you even have a concept how many man days are lost in the police force due to officers injured in the course of physically grappling with criminals?if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Personally, I prefer the emotive and very sound deterrent of big, b
d dogs. There's no arguing with them.What about tomorrow.. ? the day after.. ? the day after that.. ?
Do i just wait my turn like a good little tax payer ?
SystemParanoia said:
Butter Face said:
SystemParanoia said:
Grunt Futtock said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Someone has 'unresolved issues' and I'm not sure it's the police.......if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
I hope they lose their jobs( at the very least ) and the victim is able to sue them for damages
It's not hard to cooperate with the police. If the bloke had said 'My name is Jim McBobson, I'm the media relations guy for your force' (or whatever) he wouldn't have got tasered
Refusing to give your name then getting into a physical altercation deserves a taser IMO, better that than a police officer getting stabbed. Bad shot by the female officer, but you can't hit target every time.
How many fights would you get in with people for a job where you don't know if they will try and kill you for the odds?
If I was in the police and someone got physical with me I'd taser the f
k out of them too.Cooperation with the police is not mandatory, but it is easy. The alternative is to allow yourself to be arrested and make them find out, the alternative to this is to refuse, get physical and get taken down.
What would be your choice if it was yourself in this situtation? Can't wait to hear it!
SystemParanoia said:
Im just not a fan of those that are supposed to protect us, getting it badly wrong and getting away with it.
I hope they lose their jobs( at the very least ) and the victim is able to sue them for damages
If they thought he was someone who we need protecting from (a crim' perhaps) then they were doing. They also need to be allowed to protect themselves when suspects get physical IMO.I hope they lose their jobs( at the very least ) and the victim is able to sue them for damages
From the video shown I can see nothing that they got badly wrong. The run up obviously isn't there so maybe there were other circumstances. But why not just tell them who you are, answer other questions and be on your way? Without being tasered.
If you are persistently asked questions like this by the police, then put in a formal complaint. No need to get lippy in the street, become insolent or violent.
But maybe that's just me. I see no issue in being compliant to people in authority and accept that is one price we pay for living in a relatively decent place.
My sister has the propensity to be chippy as f
k. And then gets all surprised when her life doesn't seem to run as smoothly as she thinks mine does. The answer is not hard. (Not with the police I hasten to add - but as a personal example of where one needs to account for one's own actions).Grunt Futtock said:
SystemParanoia said:
the officers CHOSE to put them selves in this position.. no sympathy here.
if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
Someone has 'unresolved issues' and I'm not sure it's the police.......if you cant hack the job.. quit. dont go around electrocuting people for sport due to unresolved bullying issues when you were a kid.
SystemParanoia said:
in my experience.. they arent.
they behave high and mighty \ condescending, and goad you into reacting negatively trying to give themselves an excuse to rough you up.
no comment/no response is the best way to deal with them. give them nothing, and record it all if possible using fb live or periscope or many other recording apps
I don't have much experience in dealing with the police. But, what I can asure you is that police in UK, very professional and I've never heard from anyone that I know that they are actually out looking for an excuse to 'rough you up'. In some countries where I lived, police is exceptionally corrupt, and if you don't pay what you are told you better have family pack of KY with you. they behave high and mighty \ condescending, and goad you into reacting negatively trying to give themselves an excuse to rough you up.
no comment/no response is the best way to deal with them. give them nothing, and record it all if possible using fb live or periscope or many other recording apps
SystemParanoia said:
It doesn't matter who he is. he wasn't a threat to them, he has no reason to lick their collective arses just to avoid being nearly killed
Ok lets try this again, put yourself in this situation:You are a police officer and come across bloke who you have reason to believe is a wanted criminal (potentially with a violent history), bloke is evasive and refuses to identify himself and tries to get away from you to go inside a building, you've no idea what is inside that building, he could have an arsenal in there or perhaps 10 of his mates from the weightlifting team. What do you do?
Option a) Let him go about his business, you're sure even if he is the wanted criminal he is actually an upstanding citizen and his past indiscretions have all been a big misunderstanding by the oppressive patriarchal state apparatus.
Option b) You think he is Joe 'Axe-Lover' Bloggs and he is potentially going into that building to get 'Betty' his favourite long handle log splitter. He's trying to get away from you and physical restraint doesn't seem to work. Wait....you have a device that can stop someone in their tracks with minimal risk to you or them and the vast majority of the time only needs to be drawn to have the desired effect, better use that then.
Which option would you choose? I can tell you with a very strong degree of certainity that most people in the position of the police would go with b) everytime.
Grunt Futtock said:
SystemParanoia said:
It doesn't matter who he is. he wasn't a threat to them, he has no reason to lick their collective arses just to avoid being nearly killed
Ok lets try this again, put yourself in this situation:You are a police officer and come across bloke who you have reason to believe is a wanted criminal (potentially with a violent history), bloke is evasive and refuses to identify himself and tries to get away from you to go inside a building, you've no idea what is inside that building, he could have an arsenal in there or perhaps 10 of his mates from the weightlifting team. What do you do?
Option a) Let him go about his business, you're sure even if he is the wanted criminal he is actually an upstanding citizen and his past indiscretions have all been a big misunderstanding by the oppressive patriarchal state apparatus.
Option b) You think he is Joe 'Axe-Lover' Bloggs and he is potentially going into that building to get 'Betty' his favourite long handle log splitter. He's trying to get away from you and physical restraint doesn't seem to work. Wait....you have a device that can stop someone in their tracks with minimal risk to you or them and the vast majority of the time only needs to be drawn to have the desired effect, better use that then.
Which option would you choose? I can tell you with a very strong degree of certainity that most people in the position of the police would go with b) everytime.
everyone walks away alive and un-assulted
She shoots when the man is no threat. She shoots from the hip, one handed. Do they teach that now? no I don't think so.
No one has been injured, and there are no weapons being used.
The man shot has not assaulted the police officer, but has raise his hand to try to get the officer to let go of him. - not an offence to be dealt with by electrocution with a device known to kill people.
She's shot him in the face because she hasn't aimed the taser in accordance with training.
Shes issued the warning AFTER discharging the Taser, despite the guy not having a weapon.
If he had died we wouldn't have seen this film I'm sure.
If two police officers cant manage one unarmed 63 year old without resorting to a taser then maybe they should stay in doors.
No one has been injured, and there are no weapons being used.
The man shot has not assaulted the police officer, but has raise his hand to try to get the officer to let go of him. - not an offence to be dealt with by electrocution with a device known to kill people.
She's shot him in the face because she hasn't aimed the taser in accordance with training.
Shes issued the warning AFTER discharging the Taser, despite the guy not having a weapon.
If he had died we wouldn't have seen this film I'm sure.
If two police officers cant manage one unarmed 63 year old without resorting to a taser then maybe they should stay in doors.
SystemParanoia said:
a ) I have not witnessed a crime, and i cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that this is who i'm after.
everyone walks away alive and un-assulted
feveryone walks away alive and un-assulted
k me, really? Because that single police officer didn't witness the crime they just put their hands up and say 'right on guv, off you scoot'
Are you delusional?
Looks like the people will have to defend themselves against the oppressors.
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Butter Face said:
SystemParanoia said:
a ) I have not witnessed a crime, and i cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that this is who i'm after.
everyone walks away alive and un-assulted
feveryone walks away alive and un-assulted
k me, really? Because that single police officer didn't witness the crime they just put their hands up and say 'right on guv, off you scoot'
Are you delusional?
king face because.. you know why not SystemParanoia said:
Looks like the people will have to defend themselves against the oppressors....
You've been watching too much TV. "Oppressors" my arse. People with your attitude are the reason why the police end up with tasers in the first place. If people could wind their necks in a bit more, perhaps things like this wouldn't happen.
Borroxs said:
alfie2244 said:
IMO they seemed unable to control & take charge of the situation and lacked the stature / skills / confidence in their own abilities hence they took the easy option and tasered him.
The male copper does look oddly 'sheepish/clueless' doesn't he? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff