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SystemParanoia said:
Greendubber said:
SystemParanoia said:
alfie2244 said:
Very poorly handled by the officers in my opinion.
in everyone's opinion except la liga and greendubber.. in their eyes the police can do no wrong EVERDont confuse taking everything into account, including operational experience, training and offering an alternative point and explaining a topic being discussed as 'the police can do no wrong EVER'
I guess the bigger picture wont fit into your narrow minded, frankly ridiculous posts on anything police related, will it?
the man isnt a criminal
all charges brought against him have been dropped
this means the police were wrong
Of course there is a bigger picture. Try again but this time dont use hindsight.
I've been stopped by a police unit and I really took offence at the blokes manner.
Loudly demanding to know who I was and where I had come from.
Slightly nettled I responded that it was none of his damn business and continued to walk, he turned purple and began getting out of his car.
His mate stopped him and said more reasonably that there had been a serious domestic assault the perpetrator of which fitted my description, If I had ID they could get back after him.
Immediate compliance from me and we all went on our merry way.
IMO the chap tasered was completely correct until the officers explained their reason, that he fitted the description of someone wanted.
At this point there is no point in being awkward, even if you think the officers are lying, as they are justified in arresting you should you fail to provide ID.
Dislike the way the taser was deployed but it appears the bloke left them little choice but to arrest, then resisted arrest.
Loudly demanding to know who I was and where I had come from.
Slightly nettled I responded that it was none of his damn business and continued to walk, he turned purple and began getting out of his car.
His mate stopped him and said more reasonably that there had been a serious domestic assault the perpetrator of which fitted my description, If I had ID they could get back after him.
Immediate compliance from me and we all went on our merry way.
IMO the chap tasered was completely correct until the officers explained their reason, that he fitted the description of someone wanted.
At this point there is no point in being awkward, even if you think the officers are lying, as they are justified in arresting you should you fail to provide ID.
Dislike the way the taser was deployed but it appears the bloke left them little choice but to arrest, then resisted arrest.
Here is another video from a different angle that gives a better perspective
https://youtu.be/i7dbdZlsR3Y
https://youtu.be/i7dbdZlsR3Y
R1gtr said:
Here is another video from a different angle that gives a better perspective
https://youtu.be/i7dbdZlsR3Y
https://youtu.be/i7dbdZlsR3Y
In the faaaaaaaace!!
Murph7355 said:
Ian Geary said:
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- if the police need the power to demand your name and ID regardless of situation, then parliament need to give them it. Until then, they don't.
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I'd much sooner have policing by content and people be courteous and accommodating than have to legislate for everything. Creating a combative approach by bleating about rights is going to end badly.- if the police need the power to demand your name and ID regardless of situation, then parliament need to give them it. Until then, they don't.
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Constable's Oath said:
"I, .. .. of .. .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.
The Constable's Oath already mentions upholding fundamental human rights.carinaman said:
Murph7355 said:
Ian Geary said:
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- if the police need the power to demand your name and ID regardless of situation, then parliament need to give them it. Until then, they don't.
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I'd much sooner have policing by content and people be courteous and accommodating than have to legislate for everything. Creating a combative approach by bleating about rights is going to end badly.- if the police need the power to demand your name and ID regardless of situation, then parliament need to give them it. Until then, they don't.
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Constable's Oath said:
"I, .. .. of .. .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.
The Constable's Oath already mentions upholding fundamental human rights.carinaman said:
Murph7355 said:
Ian Geary said:
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- if the police need the power to demand your name and ID regardless of situation, then parliament need to give them it. Until then, they don't.
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I'd much sooner have policing by conSent and people be courteous and accommodating than have to legislate for everything. Creating a combative approach by bleating about rights is going to end badly.- if the police need the power to demand your name and ID regardless of situation, then parliament need to give them it. Until then, they don't.
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Constable's Oath said:
"I, .. .. of .. .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.
The Constable's Oath already mentions upholding fundamental human rights.But having to get specific about whether it is in your "rights" to withhold your ID when an officer of the law asks? What I suspect will happen, if we think this is currently a "right", will be that the right will be clarified/revoked. Which is a slippery slope I really don't think we want to get onto. Especially as it can be avoided by people not being chippy, which in itself would have huge knock on benefits in society.
(Edited my own post to "consent". Perhaps "content" was Freudian ).
Sidestepping the "right or wrong" issue, as a trained Firearms user for over 20 years I'd say the actual deployment of the Taser was terrible, with a little hop as she brought it in front of her, fairly obvious improper aiming (even with a Laser sight which works on the Safety removal) and what looks to be an unintentional trigger operation judging by the officers reactions immediately after deployment.
If I was to make a "what not to do with a Taser" video for law enforcement training this would be high up on the list of "poor deployments" I'd show.
If I was to make a "what not to do with a Taser" video for law enforcement training this would be high up on the list of "poor deployments" I'd show.
Borroxs said:
Two able bodied coppers can't handle one old man that's actually only trying to leave the scene, isn't swinging a baseball bat or anything. Even his dog didn't put up a fuss FFS.
Love the way she says "youve been tasered" in her wurzel accent.
Of all the drivel posted on this thread this one actually made me laugh. What accent would you expect a Bristolian officer in Bristol to use?Love the way she says "youve been tasered" in her wurzel accent.
IanH755 said:
Sidestepping the "right or wrong" issue, as a trained Firearms user for over 20 years I'd say the actual deployment of the Taser was terrible, with a little hop as she brought it in front of her, fairly obvious improper aiming (even with a Laser sight which works on the Safety removal) and what looks to be an unintentional trigger operation judging by the officers reactions immediately after deployment.
If I was to make a "what not to do with a Taser" video for law enforcement training this would be high up on the list of "poor deployments" I'd show.
I wouldn't disagree with that, I wonder what her higher ups & IPCC will make of it though, that video will offer a different angle than the body cam ones (fortunately) and could entirely change the outcome of an investigation.If I was to make a "what not to do with a Taser" video for law enforcement training this would be high up on the list of "poor deployments" I'd show.
I'll be certainly waiting with interest, I wonder if Mr Adunbi will get another load of compo..
SystemParanoia said:
techguyone said:
I wonder if Mr Adunbi will get another load of compo..
If he does.. it means the police were completely and unequivocally in the wrong here.They should lose their jobs at the very least if proven to be in the wrong, and hopefully criminal charges too.
For a start it's on the balance of probabilities, the cost of fighting it can outweigh a settlement, the are risk / cost balances i.e settle and pay X, or go to court with 40% chance of paying out 5X, perception-based matters i.e. would it look good to fight someone whom you've Tasered in the face even if it turns out to be legal, the opportunity cost of having the legal dept do one thing over another etc etc.
Fortunately no one like you will be making decisions like you suggest, so it's irrelevant anyway.
SystemParanoia said:
La Liga said:
would it look good to fight someone whom you've Tasered in the face who is also the liaison between the police and the community you're trying to make closer ties with
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