Home Secretary greenlights police to use new Taser 'within w

Home Secretary greenlights police to use new Taser 'within w

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davidball

731 posts

202 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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We have laws that protect individual rights and rights to privacy. Yet some snowflake PC (whose delicate self image is dented when a mop refuses to produce ID when not required to by law) is viewed as hard done by. It is as if laws that can curtail impertinent police questions are resented by some officers.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Looks like a taser may have helped save this officer’s life.

“Every front-line officer should be offered the opportunity to carry a Taser, police leaders said tonight, in the wake of a machete attack on a constable.

The officer was slashed across the face, hand and arm in east London in the early hours yesterday. He survived after he managed to deploy his stun gun on his assailant. ”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/08/number...

https://www.cityam.com/enough-is-enough-says-polic...

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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BlackLabel said:
Looks like a taser may have helped save this officer’s life.

“Every front-line officer should be offered the opportunity to carry a Taser, police leaders said tonight, in the wake of a machete attack on a constable.

The officer was slashed across the face, hand and arm in east London in the early hours yesterday. He survived after he managed to deploy his stun gun on his assailant. ”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/08/number...

https://www.cityam.com/enough-is-enough-says-polic...
What was he doing confronting this loon on his own?

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Mothersruin said:
BlackLabel said:
Looks like a taser may have helped save this officer’s life.

“Every front-line officer should be offered the opportunity to carry a Taser, police leaders said tonight, in the wake of a machete attack on a constable.

The officer was slashed across the face, hand and arm in east London in the early hours yesterday. He survived after he managed to deploy his stun gun on his assailant. ”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/08/number...

https://www.cityam.com/enough-is-enough-says-polic...
What was he doing confronting this loon on his own?
He wouldnt have known he was a loon until after he'd stopped him - too late then.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Quality topic.

The Rovinghawk, SystemParanoia / Davidball troll-fest around the 'race-relations man Taser incident' who all, as usual, turned out to be wrong.


In terms of the bump I don't see a necessity for all officers to possess CEDs. Perhaps the assessment in London is a little different.




Greendubber

13,211 posts

203 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Mothersruin said:
BlackLabel said:
Looks like a taser may have helped save this officer’s life.

“Every front-line officer should be offered the opportunity to carry a Taser, police leaders said tonight, in the wake of a machete attack on a constable.

The officer was slashed across the face, hand and arm in east London in the early hours yesterday. He survived after he managed to deploy his stun gun on his assailant. ”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/08/number...

https://www.cityam.com/enough-is-enough-says-polic...
What was he doing confronting this loon on his own?
It was a routine traffic stop, he wasn't sent to reports of an aggro bloke waving a machete around, that's a job for cops with guns.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Bigends said:
Mothersruin said:
BlackLabel said:
Looks like a taser may have helped save this officer’s life.

“Every front-line officer should be offered the opportunity to carry a Taser, police leaders said tonight, in the wake of a machete attack on a constable.

The officer was slashed across the face, hand and arm in east London in the early hours yesterday. He survived after he managed to deploy his stun gun on his assailant. ”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/08/number...

https://www.cityam.com/enough-is-enough-says-polic...
What was he doing confronting this loon on his own?
He wouldnt have known he was a loon until after he'd stopped him - too late then.
True.

I'm guessing he tried to reason with him rather than just go straight for the taser once he'd got the blade out.

irc

7,310 posts

136 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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SystemParanoia said:
The police have no right to ask your name if you haven't done anything wrong.
Depends. In Scotland witnesses to a crime are required to give name and address.



XCP

16,914 posts

228 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Greendubber said:
It was a routine traffic stop, he wasn't sent to reports of an aggro bloke waving a machete around, that's a job for cops with guns.
We didn't have any guns last time I dealt with one. We opened a door on him from a moving Transit. Did the trick.

hidetheelephants

24,357 posts

193 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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XCP said:
Greendubber said:
It was a routine traffic stop, he wasn't sent to reports of an aggro bloke waving a machete around, that's a job for cops with guns.
We didn't have any guns last time I dealt with one. We opened a door on him from a moving Transit. Did the trick.

Cantaloupe

1,056 posts

60 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Greendubber said:
It was a routine traffic stop, he wasn't sent to reports of an aggro bloke waving a machete around, that's a job for cops with guns.
Ludicrous, the rest of the world look on in amazement, we have a two tier Police Force, those with guns, those with no guns.

Children, can you guess the obvious solution ?

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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It's taken over three years which is a disgrace and unfair to all involved.

There must be some quite compelling evidence to charge someone discharging a Taser with murder.

I'm not sure how they'll prove the intention to kill / cause GBH (for murder), but then manslaughter is an available alternative to the jury.




Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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How can you murder someone with a device that, in theory, can't kill someone unless the receiver has an underlying health issue. I suppose if the PC knew the person had that issue and still used the taser it could be construed as such.

pavarotti1980

4,898 posts

84 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Is this a case of the IOPC/CPS not being in a position to make a judgement so allowing trial/jury do it instead and using the public interest test as pushing it through?
Or the cop has made a monumental error of some sort

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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It could be the actions of the officer after the tasering and not the taser itself that killed him. There could be issues with chokeholds etc maybe used during restraint. I doubt hed have been charged just on the use of taser alone

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 7th November 13:34

bitchstewie

51,222 posts

210 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mothersruin said:
How can you murder someone with a device that, in theory, can't kill someone unless the receiver has an underlying health issue. I suppose if the PC knew the person had that issue and still used the taser it could be construed as such.
Reading the article it sounds a lot more about conduct than the device used.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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bhstewie said:
Mothersruin said:
How can you murder someone with a device that, in theory, can't kill someone unless the receiver has an underlying health issue. I suppose if the PC knew the person had that issue and still used the taser it could be construed as such.
Reading the article it sounds a lot more about conduct than the device used.
Understood, and inappropriate action should be harshly dealt with. I'm just wondering about the mechanics of the thing.

XCP

16,914 posts

228 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Post taser actions would be my guess. Still a very high bar to go for murder.

Derek Smith

45,663 posts

248 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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XCP said:
Post taser actions would be my guess. Still a very high bar to go for murder.
I think there must be more. Mind you, if there's not, it would explain the 3-year delay.