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alfie2244 said:
IMO they seemed unable to control & take charge of the situation and lacked the stature / skills / confidence in their own abilities hence they took the easy option and tasered him.
This definitely.Bad policing to the point of incompetence, poor drills, if PC Savage aims lke that to qualify, she needs her license revoked, oh and yes, lets cry 'taser taser, taser' AFTER firing ffs.
Words of advice needed at a minimum, daft
.Al;though to balance it up, if our coloured friend hadn't been a twunt from the get go, he wouldn't have been shocked in the face.
Poor on both sides, but police are held to higher standards, their actions were not reassuring or competent.
While I appreciate that you are not legally obliged to give your name and it's your rights blah blah blah I've found from personal experience that it's a lot easier to just co-operate.
As a young driver I used to get pulled over all the time, this was back in the day when they actually had a proper police presence on the roads of course. I quickly learned that being polite and passing their "attitude" test meant that 95% of the time, I would be back on my way within a few minutes at most.
However a lot of my friends had a harder time learning this lesson or thought they'd look good by giving it the biggun and sticking it to the man. Meanwhile I'd be done and on my way with a cheery wave while they were held for another 15-20 minutes for further questioning and then be moaning that the police always gave them a hard time.
They'd always ask me why I always seemed to get off lightly but it wasn't rocket science. If you've got nothing to hide or done nothing wrong what's the harm in answering a few questions? Walking around with a chip on your shoulder in a constant state of paranoia at the "system", sorry far too much effort for me, I'll take the easy life.
As a young driver I used to get pulled over all the time, this was back in the day when they actually had a proper police presence on the roads of course. I quickly learned that being polite and passing their "attitude" test meant that 95% of the time, I would be back on my way within a few minutes at most.
However a lot of my friends had a harder time learning this lesson or thought they'd look good by giving it the biggun and sticking it to the man. Meanwhile I'd be done and on my way with a cheery wave while they were held for another 15-20 minutes for further questioning and then be moaning that the police always gave them a hard time.
They'd always ask me why I always seemed to get off lightly but it wasn't rocket science. If you've got nothing to hide or done nothing wrong what's the harm in answering a few questions? Walking around with a chip on your shoulder in a constant state of paranoia at the "system", sorry far too much effort for me, I'll take the easy life.
Rovinghawk said:
Guvernator said:
I've found from personal experience that it's a lot easier to just co-operate.
Maybe he doesn't give in to bullies.I'd rather take a few minutes of being talked at then trying to be clever and give lip back as there is only going to be one winner from that confrontation. I've seen mates bundled into the back of a police van for thinking they could win an argument with coppers. They spent a few hours in a nice police cell while I continued on my way, I know which option I prefer.
Did the Officers make it explicitly clear that he was being arrested/detained? I know in the Public video the phase "I have to arrest you" was said once, but in the very next sentence the PC goes back to trying to play the name game, making it seem much more like an attempt to threaten him into giving his details rather than an actual attempt to arrest. And why and when did the WPC draw her taser? It was out for the entirety of the video, including the cut in the middle, why was it drawn for so long without any threat or real attempt to detain the guy?
If he were a 63 year old, small, red faced, balding white bloke shouting "I'm a Freeman on the Land!", I'm willing to bet it probably would not have gone down like this. If you're not convinced not want have a look on the net; Plenty of examples of people in similar 'confrontations' with the Police walking away without providing details, even when under some suspicion. "Ahh, but they were looking for a wanted man fitting his description", I hear you cry, which brings me to something that will unlikely ever to come to light - Who the wanted man is, what does he actually look like or does he actually exist?. It would not be the first time 'You fit the description of...' has been used to get grounds to stop&search/question.
The guy unfortunately lost his cool and played into the 'Aggressive black man' stereotype that the Police are almost always going to jump on (literally), and they used it against him.
If he were a 63 year old, small, red faced, balding white bloke shouting "I'm a Freeman on the Land!", I'm willing to bet it probably would not have gone down like this. If you're not convinced not want have a look on the net; Plenty of examples of people in similar 'confrontations' with the Police walking away without providing details, even when under some suspicion. "Ahh, but they were looking for a wanted man fitting his description", I hear you cry, which brings me to something that will unlikely ever to come to light - Who the wanted man is, what does he actually look like or does he actually exist?. It would not be the first time 'You fit the description of...' has been used to get grounds to stop&search/question.
The guy unfortunately lost his cool and played into the 'Aggressive black man' stereotype that the Police are almost always going to jump on (literally), and they used it against him.
alfie2244 said:
Just heard on local TV that he claims this is not the 1st time he has been a "victim of mistaken ID which is why he never gave his name this time".
You see this sort of logic just puzzles me.You've been the "victim" (not sure what sufferance he went through...unless he's always getting tasered in the face!) of mistaken ID before. Do you
(a) hide your ID even more when asked by someone in authority or
(b) be very clear who you are when asked to avoid becoming a "victim" again and then maybe (c) put in a formal complaint to the authorities to say you are being victimised/persecuted/oppressed?
I just don't get option (a). I'd be carrying round a big feck off placard with my name and photo on it if I was getting mistaken all the time. Or maybe looking at what the hell I'm doing to look so dodgy
Maybe it's a cultural thing. Though as per my personal example I doubt it - some people just like to make life harder for themselves regardless of creed, colour, background or whatever. I suspect it makes it easier to blame your life on someone else in that way.
If they honestly believe him to be someone wanted, then I don't see too much trouble legally justifying the force.
However, regardless of the legalities, using force on someone who is thought to be someone else never looks good.
Terrible advice from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
However, regardless of the legalities, using force on someone who is thought to be someone else never looks good.
SystemParanoia said:
no comment/no response is the best way to deal with them.
This is generally the worst way to resolve matters. Terrible advice from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
Murph7355 said:
alfie2244 said:
Just heard on local TV that he claims this is not the 1st time he has been a "victim of mistaken ID which is why he never gave his name this time".
You see this sort of logic just puzzles me.The guy should have given his name so done himself no favours but IIRC the officer never actually said he was under arrest, nor did he read him his rights so I struggle to see how he was resisting arrest and the taser then justified.
The guy is quite distinctive in that he is a Rastafarian with dreadlocks in his 60's........I doubt there are many others that he could have been mistaken for so will the police actually say who it was that they were actually looking for and why? Cynic in me doubts they will.
The guy is quite distinctive in that he is a Rastafarian with dreadlocks in his 60's........I doubt there are many others that he could have been mistaken for so will the police actually say who it was that they were actually looking for and why? Cynic in me doubts they will.
SystemParanoia said:
Koofler said:
Jesus Christ. You're a fking idiot. What planet do you live on? You sound like an utterly cowardly turd on every thread you pop up on.
Cowardly ? how so, im openly voicing how i feel about situations as i see them.king idiot. What planet do you live on? You sound like an utterly cowardly turd on every thread you pop up on.You seem to expect me to "go with the crowd" and cheer the police on no matter what because "their job is hard"... Doing THAT would be cowardly, and helps nobody.
Ill give praise where praise is due
ill make my voice heard when I see wrong in their actions
that would stand by while the world went to st and then whine all the way to the gas chamber. SystemParanoia said:
By making a note, passing it up the chain, and getting the highly paid detectives to do their job
You expect your highly paid detectives to patrol the streets looking to personally identify the wanted person, then detain them. Smart idea.Frees up all those unformed employees from the tiresome and oppressive job of harassing innocent passers by.
Best of all, eliminates the risk of you being asked your name.
alfie2244 said:
The guy should have given his name so done himself no favours but IIRC the officer never actually said he was under arrest, nor did he read him his rights so I struggle to see how he was resisting arrest and the taser then justified.
The caution doesn't need to be read at the time of arrest. He does need to be told he's under arrest. There's a chunk of video missing where that could have been done. alfie2244 said:
The guy should have given his name so done himself no favours but IIRC the officer never actually said he was under arrest, nor did he read him his rights so I struggle to see how he was resisting arrest and the taser then justified.
The guy is quite distinctive in that he is a Rastafarian with dreadlocks in his 60's........I doubt there are many others that he could have been mistaken for so will the police actually say who it was that they were actually looking for and why? Cynic in me doubts they will.
We don't know that they were arresting him. And if the physical stuff was started by him, then I'm not sure where the fundamental issue is with the action.The guy is quite distinctive in that he is a Rastafarian with dreadlocks in his 60's........I doubt there are many others that he could have been mistaken for so will the police actually say who it was that they were actually looking for and why? Cynic in me doubts they will.
As for the mistaken id, maybe they just saw a slim chap in jeans and trainers with a blue puffer jacket and his hood up...you'd have to think that if they saw him fully then matey boy has a body double in the area causing mischief otherwise. Maybe it's like when people blank their number plates when posting photos of their cars?
Koofler said:
SystemParanoia said:
Koofler said:
Jesus Christ. You're a fking idiot. What planet do you live on? You sound like an utterly cowardly turd on every thread you pop up on.
Cowardly ? how so, im openly voicing how i feel about situations as i see them.king idiot. What planet do you live on? You sound like an utterly cowardly turd on every thread you pop up on.You seem to expect me to "go with the crowd" and cheer the police on no matter what because "their job is hard"... Doing THAT would be cowardly, and helps nobody.
Ill give praise where praise is due
ill make my voice heard when I see wrong in their actions
that would stand by while the world went to st and then whine all the way to the gas chamber. that were supporting and operating the gas chambers because they were blindly following authority, the last time the world went to st? 
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-tasered-man-j...
"Mr Adunbi was charged with assaulting a constable in the execution of their duty and a public order offence"
and then it was dropped.
""However, I would like to reassure them that the incident was captured on the officers' Body Worn Video cameras."
Ok La Liga.. get that footage and make it public domain, let us all see what happened in full
"Mr Adunbi was charged with assaulting a constable in the execution of their duty and a public order offence"
and then it was dropped.
""However, I would like to reassure them that the incident was captured on the officers' Body Worn Video cameras."
Ok La Liga.. get that footage and make it public domain, let us all see what happened in full
Edited by SystemParanoia on Friday 20th January 16:27
La Liga said:
If they honestly believe him to be someone wanted
What reasonable grounds do they have for that? Black man? Wanting to be left alone & get into his house?La Liga said:
I don't see too much trouble legally justifying the force.
You never do.La Liga said:
However, regardless of the legalities, using force on someone who is thought to be someone else never looks good.
Especially when she shoots for no reason and appears to have been itching to do it for some time. He was zero threat, constantly trying to disengage from their approach and keen to mind his own business.Issuing the warning after the shot never looks good either.
Telling him he's been tasered seems a bit superfluous after he's been hit in the face with it, too.
I'm sure you'll confirm that high standards were maintained throughout, medals are deserved for bravery & I'm a bad person for disagreeing.
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