Casey Report: Promote Britshness

[Sparkyhd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989

A review of racial integration in Britain reveals recommendations including promoting British values.

Apart from demanding a bit of meat in our currency what are British values?

[Sparkyhd]

Inability to spell being another. Ok so I can't spell Britishness!

[B'stard Child]

I'm amazed she got away with saying "those things" about certain communities....

[Digga]

I think your opener is rather disingenuous. The report makes some fairly common sense - to me and many other people- points about the failures of multiculturalism. Note, this is not, necessarily, the failure of immigrants, but of the host nation to provide them with sufficient guidance and governance.

Casey said:

The report concludes: 'We know that where communities live separately, with fewer interactions between people from different backgrounds, mistrust, anxiety and prejudice grow.

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[Sparkyhd]

I wasn't criticising the report nor blaming immigrants. I'm simply curious to discover what's on the curriculum for teaching Britishness.

[Digga]

Sparkyhd said:

I wasn't criticising the report nor blaming immigrants. I'm simply curious to discover what's on the curriculum for teaching Britishness.

TBF, having read the Beeb's coverage, it is frankly derisory. The Mail has a far more factual account.

I think the message is clear, is veiled by politeness; Britishness is not regressive, backwardness and isolationism. We all know the issues here, it's just taken a gold-plated report like this to wake up the Intelligent Yet Idiots to the problems.

[Mr. White]

Sparkyhd said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989


Apart from demanding a bit of meat in our currency what are British values?

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

[Murph7355]

Sparkyhd said:

I wasn't criticising the report nor blaming immigrants. I'm simply curious to discover what's on the curriculum for teaching Britishness.

I would say tolerance of other views, open mindedness, self-deprecating, considered and considerate, self supportive, creative. I would have said that these things leave us less susceptible to the greater excesses of "PC".

I can see many of these things changing though, and the rate of change seems to be getting faster. I have little idea as to why and suspect it's multi-faceted. We grow enough feckless morons indigenously to lay the blame of this at immigration etc. Strengths overplayed becoming a weakness is probably a good summary. Or maybe it's just how Western society is - isn't there a quote along the lines of a generation to build a legacy, one to nurture it and one to destroy it?

[anonymous-user]

Mr. White said:

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

[WinstonWolf]

desolate said:

Mr. White said:

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

I think it's time they were actively discouraged. They are divisive and represent everything that's wrong with 'multiculturalism'.

[Murph7355]

desolate said:

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

Some (both ways)

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

I think it's time they were actively discouraged. They are divisive and represent everything that's wrong with 'multiculturalism'.

what do you mean by "they"?

[WinstonWolf]

desolate said:

WinstonWolf said:

I think it's time they were actively discouraged. They are divisive and represent everything that's wrong with 'multiculturalism'.

what do you mean by "they"?

Face coverings, you know the very thing we were just discussing...

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

Face coverings, you know the very thing we were just discussing...

We were discussing face/hair coverings and I was just trying to establish whether you meant the headscarf type or the black clothing that also covers the face.

eg is it just the burka/niqab or also saris and headscarves?

[Digga]

desolate said:

Mr. White said:

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

Agreed.

In the same way as a British visitor to a Gulf state would, fairly quickly and robustly be reminded to cover up, out of respect for local culture, so it ought to be pointed out, politely, but clearly, that forcing 'your' women to cover up is not allowed and also that covering of faces in general is culturally at odds, other than for reasons of warmth in extreme depths winter. It is never a good idea when driving.

[Smiler.]

WinstonWolf said:

desolate said:

Mr. White said:

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

I think it's time they were actively discouraged. They are divisive and represent everything that's wrong with 'multiculturalism'.

Head coverings are fine really, 40 years ago, headscarves were a common feature amongst ladies of a certain age.

And not as bad as the ubiquitous hoody, much favoured by certain types who only breath via the mouth. Of course, not all wearers fall into this category but easy to establish based on the wearers actions.


Face coverings & the bin-bag - utterly ridiculous, not conducive to a cohesive society, as would be a balaclava outside of the intended purpose (again, same goes for the hoody).

Still should not ban though, but make a legal requirement to remove in public when requested/necessary for identification purposes.

[WinstonWolf]

Smiler. said:

WinstonWolf said:

desolate said:

Mr. White said:

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

I think it's time they were actively discouraged. They are divisive and represent everything that's wrong with 'multiculturalism'.

Head coverings are fine really, 40 years ago, headscarves were a common feature amongst ladies of a certain age.

And not as bad as the ubiquitous hoody, much favoured by certain types who only breath via the mouth. Of course, not all wearers fall into this category but easy to establish based on the wearers actions.


Face coverings & the bin-bag - utterly ridiculous, not conducive to a cohesive society, as would be a balaclava outside of the intended purpose (again, same goes for the hoody).

Still should not ban though, but make a legal requirement to remove in public when requested/necessary for identification purposes.

Anyone who covers their face for whatever reason should be actively discouraged from doing it in public.

[WinstonWolf]

desolate said:

WinstonWolf said:

Face coverings, you know the very thing we were just discussing...

We were discussing face/hair coverings and I was just trying to establish whether you meant the headscarf type or the black clothing that also covers the face.

eg is it just the burka/niqab or also saris and headscarves?

Headscarves are fine, the KKK style hood that hides the face isn't.

[Dindoit]

It wouldn't affect my life one iota whether the niqab was banned here or not. How would it change your life experiences if it were?

[Smiler.]

WinstonWolf said:

Smiler. said:

WinstonWolf said:

desolate said:

Mr. White said:

I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.

Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?

I think it's time they were actively discouraged. They are divisive and represent everything that's wrong with 'multiculturalism'.

Head coverings are fine really, 40 years ago, headscarves were a common feature amongst ladies of a certain age.

And not as bad as the ubiquitous hoody, much favoured by certain types who only breath via the mouth. Of course, not all wearers fall into this category but easy to establish based on the wearers actions.


Face coverings & the bin-bag - utterly ridiculous, not conducive to a cohesive society, as would be a balaclava outside of the intended purpose (again, same goes for the hoody).

Still should not ban though, but make a legal requirement to remove in public when requested/necessary for identification purposes.

Anyone who covers their face for whatever reason should be actively discouraged from doing it in public.

So it's -7°C when you're off for a walk with the dogs, or a run in the park or a cycle (you mad lycra-clad barsteward). A scarf around the chops or a balaclava is not ok?



Never OK





OK Outside when worn because it's colder than Penguin Piss, not OK inside or on a Train





But within the 2nd one, there's a fine line between circumstances - one short stop on a train, can't be arsed to take it all off....etc. Restricting liberties is a slippery slope, is it not?