Casey Report: Promote Britshness

Casey Report: Promote Britshness

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Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
desolate said:
WinstonWolf said:
Face coverings, you know the very thing we were just discussing...
We were discussing face/hair coverings and I was just trying to establish whether you meant the headscarf type or the black clothing that also covers the face.

eg is it just the burka/niqab or also saris and headscarves?
Headscarves are fine, the KKK style hood that hides the face isn't.
Exactly, covering the head in a scarf (or hat) is fine, it's the face covering that's weird.

People wouldn't be happy if you walked through town wearing a balaclava would they.

PugwasHDJ80

7,522 posts

220 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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desolate said:
Mr. White said:
I'll start with not making women cover their hair/faces in public.
Not a bad start.
But you wouldn't want to ban women from doing either of those things would you?
no but i would want to change a culture where women feel either safer doing this, or that somehow its the "right" thing to do.

I wold also want them to understand that for lots of people who grew up with the IRA, the only people who cover their face are people with something to hide and that they make lots of feel very uncomfortable. Britishness is still something of not making other people feel uncomfortable.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Smiler. said:
But within the 2nd one, there's a fine line between circumstances - one short stop on a train, can't be arsed to take it all off....etc. Restricting liberties is a slippery slope, is it not?
The Islamic face coverings are not a great example of liberties, now are they?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Smiler. said:
But within the 2nd one, there's a fine line between circumstances - one short stop on a train, can't be arsed to take it all off....etc. Restricting liberties is a slippery slope, is it not?
The Islamic face coverings are not a great example of liberties, now are they?
Don't the Islamic women want to wear it?

Smiler.

11,752 posts

229 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Smiler. said:
But within the 2nd one, there's a fine line between circumstances - one short stop on a train, can't be arsed to take it all off....etc. Restricting liberties is a slippery slope, is it not?
The Islamic face coverings are not a great example of liberties, now are they?
You demonstrate the point perfectly. There are those (including some wearers) who would disagree that the full-face thing is "oppression".

Therefore, replacing one apparent limit of freedom with another is the start (I would argue).

I fully see & understand your point, but there is another view.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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El stovey said:
Don't the Islamic women want to wear it?
Any linkies?

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
Smiler. said:
But within the 2nd one, there's a fine line between circumstances - one short stop on a train, can't be arsed to take it all off....etc. Restricting liberties is a slippery slope, is it not?
The Islamic face coverings are not a great example of liberties, now are they?
Don't the Islamic women want to wear it?
Any that do should be actively discouraged from wearing them...

Hiding your face in public is divisive (hence yet another thread on it), there is no need for it in the 21st century.

Dindoit

1,645 posts

93 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
Britishness is still something of not making other people feel uncomfortable.
Because there's nothing more comforting than being forced by the police to remove your clothing when you're on the High St.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Any that do should be actively discouraged from wearing them...

Hiding your face in public is divisive (hence yet another thread on it), there is no need for it in the 21st century.
There's no real need to be telling anyone what they should wear or not in the 21st century IMO. Forcing people not to wear something is as bad as forcing them to wear something IMO.

Attire on safety grounds is an exception (ie making people wear crash helmets). And I stray into the grey with nudity. But outside of that, I see no reason for the government to interfere.

I guess if people told you not to wear socks with your sandals you'd feel differently smile

(Incidentally, I'm somewhat to the right of Mussolini if you read my other posts. No bleeding heart liberal. Or didn't think I was smile).

stitched

3,813 posts

172 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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I'm in my 40's, I object to people hiding their identity.
If I go into a petrol station or supermarket I take my crash helmet off as I understand the stress it is likely to cause employees.
I have no objection to ladies wearing whatever they want at home, but to expect a shop, bank, supermarket etc to allow covered faces is unreasonable.
IMHO to wear a garment which covers your face should preclude entering these places.

tight fart

2,872 posts

272 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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I was told by an Indian friend that a council swimming pool in Redbridge now has "Muslim women only" half day every week.
Can you imagine the outcry if it was a whites only session.

Sparkyhd

Original Poster:

1,792 posts

94 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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This thread has now morphed into Head Coverings rather than what defines British culture, unless we're really saying an uncovered head defines it.

Seeing how this thread has gone off at a tangent it's not really surprising that it's impossible to reach agreement on anything.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Sparkyhd said:
This thread has now morphed into Head Coverings rather than what defines British culture, unless we're really saying an uncovered head defines it.

Seeing how this thread has gone off at a tangent it's not really surprising that it's impossible to reach agreement on anything.
It's as if some people are obsessed with the matter.



stitched

3,813 posts

172 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Sorry,
I see British values as tolerance of reasonable behavior, politeness and a sense of fair play.
I recently helped a friend from the czech republic with his citizenship test and it is bks,
Loads of st which is neither useful, well known or promotes British values.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Sparkyhd said:
This thread has now morphed into Head Coverings rather than what defines British culture, unless we're really saying an uncovered head defines it.

Seeing how this thread has gone off at a tangent it's not really surprising that it's impossible to reach agreement on anything.
TBF, you've posted a topic "Casey Report" - thereby blocking any similar thread - but then decided to immediately restrict any discussion to a very narrow remit of "what is Britishness". It's as if you wanted to derail or divert any discussion from the start.

stitched

3,813 posts

172 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Nearly forgot the essence of British culture.
The ability to communicate with any foreign national without troubling to learn their language, through sheer volume.

bitchstewie

50,812 posts

209 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Sparkyhd said:
Apart from demanding a bit of meat in our currency what are British values?
Tolerance and respect for others.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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bhstewie said:
Sparkyhd said:
Apart from demanding a bit of meat in our currency what are British values?
Tolerance and respect for others.
Erm, hating people more successful than oneself, dropping litter, watching depressing tv shows, eating junk food, having tattoos?

so called

9,074 posts

208 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Murph7355 said:
Sparkyhd said:
I wasn't criticising the report nor blaming immigrants. I'm simply curious to discover what's on the curriculum for teaching Britishness.
I would say tolerance of other views, open mindedness, self-deprecating, considered and considerate, self supportive, creative. I would have said that these things leave us less susceptible to the greater excesses of "PC".

I can see many of these things changing though, and the rate of change seems to be getting faster. I have little idea as to why and suspect it's multi-faceted. We grow enough feckless morons indigenously to lay the blame of this at immigration etc. Strengths overplayed becoming a weakness is probably a good summary. Or maybe it's just how Western society is - isn't there a quote along the lines of a generation to build a legacy, one to nurture it and one to destroy it?
I would add tolerance.
That seems to be evaporating fast too.

bitchstewie

50,812 posts

209 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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markcoznottz said:
watching depressing tv shows
Don't even start me on that one. I have a theory that EastEnders is responsible for a massive amount of utter fking misery.

I say that based solely on the fact that if there is ever anything on after EastEnders that I want to watch, if I catch the end of EastEnders, it is always something utterly fking miserable.