Casey Report: Promote Britshness
Discussion
stitched said:
Nearly forgot the essence of British culture.
The ability to communicate with any foreign national without troubling to learn their language, through sheer volume.
Slowly with volume. Don't forget queuing.The ability to communicate with any foreign national without troubling to learn their language, through sheer volume.
Isn't the problem you'll never get anyone to agree what British culture is? It's difficult to pin down.
As to values. We'd like to think (but is probably full of holes, just better than most others) they are fair play (we play or invented sport), queuing, English common law, rule of law, property rights... hmmm.
Digga said:
We must have some values, otherwise why are we still a chosen destination for immigrants and why are we successful and leaders in many fields?
We absorb, or borrow, and sell back popular music at least from whence we took it.- Arts & Creativity; Music, Literature etc.
- Finance
- Engineering and Technology
- Law
Literature - English Language. In part the English language flows into Law and Finance although Finance is probably bound up in our history as merchantile nation backed by a large navy in support of an empire which we could afford as we didn't need (including the expense of) a large standing army due to the moat, you could argue the same about the engineering (by implication) the industrial revolution. It makes things easier to take a lead technologically when your brightest people are not fighting off invasion and are safe to pursue enterprise and invention,'and then free to set sail for to all corners of the globe to do it and trade. Then your sharpest minds are not admirals and generals but entrepreneurs (and pretty shameless ones on occasion). And it feeds back in a virtuous circle. Same to an extent with the law, we have had historically a very settled rule of law and government because of the continuity, in large part due to the channel and the navy has afforded us. That we have been involved in many wars, it has been for the most part of wars "over there" and to a degree wars we chose, or felt obliged, to join in as a choice, fought in other people's country.
Our remaining preeminence has passed but we still trade, so to speak, on that historical advantage. Although modern popular culture is slightly different as it's tied in with that other large English speaking country over the pond. (There's another country so far away, it's never been invaded by a foreign power since 1812-ish)
We have been very lucky. And some have managed and defended the good fortune very well. Some people also take it very much for granted. The law, democratic freedom, the welfare state, etc.
Edited by Northern Munkee on Monday 5th December 17:00
andymc said:
Faeeza Vaid, from the Muslim Women's Network, said migrant communities should not be blamed for failing to integrate
So who's fault is it?
We also see segregated white communities," she told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme
That'll be the indigenous population
Are all segregated white communities 'indigenous'?So who's fault is it?
We also see segregated white communities," she told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme
That'll be the indigenous population
andymc said:
Faeeza Vaid, from the Muslim Women's Network, said migrant communities should not be blamed for failing to integrate
So who's fault is it?
We also see segregated white communities," she told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme
That'll be the indigenous population
Go to certain areas and see how far being "indigenous population" gets you with other "indigenous population".So who's fault is it?
We also see segregated white communities," she told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme
That'll be the indigenous population
Pardon the pun but it really isn't as black and white as it seems.
We need something more like what the US seems to have. Where immigrants want to 'be an American' rather than simply 'go to America'.
We've clearly got an element of the American dream or else they wouldn't be coming, but there seems to be a disconnect. Too many seem to want to come, make a few quid and go back. Others want to create their own enclaves within the UK, without buying into the British way of life.
So for me the values are around equality of opportunity, commerce and community cohesion.
Although how to achieve that is beyond my pay grade.
We've clearly got an element of the American dream or else they wouldn't be coming, but there seems to be a disconnect. Too many seem to want to come, make a few quid and go back. Others want to create their own enclaves within the UK, without buying into the British way of life.
So for me the values are around equality of opportunity, commerce and community cohesion.
Although how to achieve that is beyond my pay grade.
Digga said:
We must have some values, otherwise why are we still a chosen destination for immigrants and why are we successful and leaders in many fields?
Why are we still chosen? A decent benefits package, surely?- Arts & Creativity; Music, Literature etc.
- Finance
- Engineering and Technology
- Law
swiveleyedgit said:
markcoznottz said:
watching depressing tv shows,
Don't watch the tv Mark, just do what I do and stick something decent on the stereo. You have got a stereo, right? This was me earlier, not watching daytime tv 
andymc said:
Faeeza Vaid, from the Muslim Women's Network, said migrant communities should not be blamed for failing to integrate
So who's fault is it?
We also see segregated white communities," she told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme
That'll be the indigenous population
It is never their fault - they are the victim in this with yet another report that is anti Muslim.So who's fault is it?
We also see segregated white communities," she told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme
That'll be the indigenous population
Is the idea of "Promoting British-ness" just another PC term to address the failings of Multiculturalism ?
White flight was identified years ago, and happens here just as it did in America, we have not yet found a way to address it.
El stovey said:
WinstonWolf said:
Smiler. said:
But within the 2nd one, there's a fine line between circumstances - one short stop on a train, can't be arsed to take it all off....etc. Restricting liberties is a slippery slope, is it not?
The Islamic face coverings are not a great example of liberties, now are they?Religious Guilt must be the most powerful force in the World. As a young girl you see all the women in your community dressed this way, you are told from an early age that this is how good women dress. You want to be a good women don't you and go to Heaven ?
All the book says is dress modestly.
I was in Dubai last week, and I did find it amusing that in the scorching heat, God told men that they can wear flowing white garments to cope with the heat, yet women have to wear black, often with a tightly wrapped headscarf.
Digga said:
We must have some values, otherwise why are we still a chosen destination for immigrants and why are we successful and leaders in many fields?
I very much doubt the majority of immigrants give a flying duck about any of the above. More like:- Arts & Creativity; Music, Literature etc.
- Finance
- Engineering and Technology
- Law
- a comparatively good wage
- free health care
- relatively generous benefits system, including housing etc.
- lots of unskilled work available
- the possibility of their kids getting places in comparatively good schools
- relatively large communities of their own nationalities with whom to socialise
B'stard Child said:
techiedave said:
Being open to people of all shapes and sizes and not being afraid to express your liking for the larger colour lady.
Stop it - wrong thread..........Promoting British Values is a big thing in educational establishments now, even I as an apprenticeship assessor have to go through them with my apprentices each time I see them. The values are: Democracy, Rule of Law, Individual Liberty and Mutual Respect and Tolerance. OfSted are pushing it big time; some of the Primary schools I visit have displays in the reception area created by the kids, my own company's training centres have posters around the building about them and when I talk with a student I'm supposed to pick a topic and discuss it with them. The Prevent Agenda is another big one being pushed by authorities.
stitched said:
I'm in my 40's, I object to people hiding their identity.
If I go into a petrol station or supermarket I take my crash helmet off as I understand the stress it is likely to cause employees.
I have no objection to ladies wearing whatever they want at home, but to expect a shop, bank, supermarket etc to allow covered faces is unreasonable.
IMHO to wear a garment which covers your face should preclude entering these places.
If I go into a petrol station or supermarket I take my crash helmet off as I understand the stress it is likely to cause employees.
I have no objection to ladies wearing whatever they want at home, but to expect a shop, bank, supermarket etc to allow covered faces is unreasonable.
IMHO to wear a garment which covers your face should preclude entering these places.
stitched said:
Sorry,
I see British values as tolerance of reasonable behavior, politeness and a sense of fair play.
I recently helped a friend from the czech republic with his citizenship test and it is b
ks,
Loads of st which is neither useful, well known or promotes British values.
?I see British values as tolerance of reasonable behavior, politeness and a sense of fair play.
I recently helped a friend from the czech republic with his citizenship test and it is b
ks,Loads of s
t which is neither useful, well known or promotes British values.I can't be intolerant, I once helped someone from the Czech Republic
Blame the criminal fraternity (probably white UK citizens more often than not) for your crash helmet issue.
I kind of get where you're coming from, but the trivia you're picking up on is so far from the issue it's unreal. And doesn't so much to support how tolerant you are - Czech mate or not
The lack of proper integration is a key issue. I also think heavily strict religion is a problem (counts as much for Christians as it does Muslims etc). What they wear is not, or should not be, the problem (if it's being worn of their own free will).B'stard Child said:
techiedave said:
Being open to people of all shapes and sizes and not being afraid to express your liking for the larger colour lady.
Stop it - wrong thread..........Murph7355 said:
B'stard Child said:
techiedave said:
Being open to people of all shapes and sizes and not being afraid to express your liking for the larger colour lady.
Stop it - wrong thread..........I'm happier if we keep him locked in that room (with the one that can't be named) and that he doesn't go rampant round the forum spreading his jizz around like copydex
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