Two found Dead in Fiesta - Possible Chemical leak?

[anonymous-user]

decat and bad tune?

[danllama]

Ynox said:

Suicide pact?

Mix together the right stuff and it'd easily kill you in a confined space.

I actually know many people who knew these two kids. All they can say is they were two of the most happy, optimistic kids around, with bright futures etc. I shamefully did a bit of facebook stalking and had to agree with them.

Would find suicide difficult to believe.

[mike74]

greygoose said:

Seems the most obvious explanation, plenty of guides on the web.

I think that's pretty unlikely imo, a young attractive couple both with jobs and active social lives?

Also bit of an odd time and place to do it?

Surely you'd take yourselves off somewhere quiet and secluded, not do it just parked up in a residential street?

[rampageturke]

The Spruce goose said:

decat and bad tune?

IIRC the car was running a "crackle map" which is all the rage in the mk7 fiesta circles these days

[Gretchen]

And in conclusion


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3140301/essex-couple...

[dandarez]

Gretchen said:

And in conclusion


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3140301/essex-couple...

Second pic down.
The selfie of the young lad. Where he worked?

As it was 'emissions' that killed the pair, is this not odd?

Behind him on that hoarding
'Emission Laboratory D.......?'
However, below that it reads: 'Climate Development Centre'

(is that Dunton or perhaps nothing to do with Ford at all?).

[anonymous-user]

CO can kill someone over time. the symptoms are flu like and maybe the car running whilst they sat in the car pushed them over the edge.

[Bigends]

Just been on the radio news - a combination of a still night with no wind or breeze, and a build up of exhaust fumes which then leaked into the cabin whilst the two chatted led to their deaths. Simple case of a modified, leaking exhaust system

[danllama]

The modification is irrelevant if it was leaking between the head and manifold, as reported (assuming decat was only mod). The dude should have used a torque wrench on his manifold. It's a cruel irony that he was a vehicle technician apprentice. A friend of theirs said on facebook that an entire stud was missing from the manifold assembly.

Edited by danllama on Wednesday 22 March 08:36

[rscott]

danllama said:

The modification is irrelevant if it was leaking between the head and manifold, as reported (assuming decat was only mod). The dude should have used a torque wrench on his manifold. It's a cruel irony that he was a vehicle technician apprentice. A friend of there's said on facebook that an entire stud was missing from the manifold assembly.

Edited by danllama on Wednesday 22 March 08:34

It was explained in some detail on Look East last night - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08jjt0k/look... - about 2 minutes in.

It was a combination of a badly implemented de-cat (manifold not secured) and extra bonnet vents which allowed the CO out and then straight into the cabin air intakes.

[Oakey]

Would those bonnet vents have made any difference to the performance at all? He could have probably just stuck them on top cosmetically without cutting the bonnet for the same effect without the risk of death.

[Greendubber]

Oakey said:

Would those bonnet vents have made any difference to the performance at all? He could have probably just stuck them on top cosmetically without cutting the bonnet for the same effect without the risk of death.

Those are for keeping engine bay temps down.

[Oakey]

Greendubber said:

Those are for keeping engine bay temps down.

How much is it going to be overheating without them, realistically?

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Oakey said:

Greendubber said:

Those are for keeping engine bay temps down.

How much is it going to be overheating without them, realistically?

Let's not worry about that, eigh.

It's tragic that two people lost their lives and just goes to highlight how deadly exhaust leaks can be.
My Son has a Focus and the flexi coupling developed a leak, but you could really smell the fumes in the car. I'm surprised they didn't smell it coming into the cabin, but I'm no expert?

[Greendubber]

Oakey said:

Greendubber said:

Those are for keeping engine bay temps down.

How much is it going to be overheating without them, realistically?

They're not to stop it over heating, they're used to remove hot air from the engine bay as turbos like cooler, denser air.

[moanthebairns]

They are speed holes!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ASgGwxJyc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ja6Hn8ps4

[Ian Geary]

This should be moved to the "badly modified cars" thread.

No, seriously.

I just saw the BBC report, and it seemed to paint "modification" as the problem, when the fault was down to a faulty modification.

[Daverb]

Yeah I had to come searching for more info after the BBC article too. Half a story as usual...

bbc said:

After the inquest, Mr Kirby said the deaths were a "needless event" adding: "There are inherent dangers in modifying vehicles.

"Tom was not inexperienced. He was apprenticed with Ford and had carried out lots of repairs on his vehicle.

"I would urge anybody who has carried out modifications to have their work checked by a qualified mechanic."

Charlotte Ward, of Ford, said: "This was a terrible tragedy, Tom was a popular and talented apprentice, and our thoughts remain with his family, friends and colleagues.

"The coroner's verdict cited modifications, including the removal of the catalytic converter, as a contributing factor and we do not recommend the modification of any Ford vehicle beyond the manufacture's guidelines."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-39339063

[Gretchen]

The Spruce goose said:

CO can kill someone over time. the symptoms are flu like and maybe the car running whilst they sat in the car pushed them over the edge.

What I read about there being vomit outside the vehicle as well as inside, and no explanation as to how it got there was upsetting. Perhaps he/she felt unwell, got out to be sick, then back in the car again. So sad.

[Daverb]

BBC have a video now showing smoke blowing from the exhaust manifold and coming through the vents in the car like a smoke machine.

How would a junior mechanic from Ford missed this? Even if he fitted it wrong surely it was down on power and noisy??