Globalisation

[RYH64E]

Piersman2 said:

But you don't just leave a job half finished out in the rain.

You either plan to have it completed and back under covers prior to finishing, or you stay and get things tucked away safely ready to re-start the following day.

You don't just down tools and walk without so much as a by your leave.

This was exactly my point, there were a variety of ways with dealing with the issue and downing tools at 5pm wasn't one. It was a 3-4 hour job that started at 10.30am, there shouldn't have been any time pressures, there were no particular problems, but if for whatever reason the job was behind schedule then the acceptable options were a) sort out between themselves who was going to stay back and finish it (at time and a half), or b) alert someone more senior that there was a potential problem at say 4pm whilst there's still time to allocate more staff.

When I first began employing my own staff 15 or so years ago I was much more tolerant and understanding, and my expectations were higher. Bitter experience has ground me down. We're currently working at full capacity and I'm under some pressure to expand, but I'm not sure that I need the hassle. Getting good staff is really hard, at all levels of the organisation.

[RYH64E]

eccles said:

Some employers garner loyalty and most employees would be loyal/flexible back, but if your boss is an idiot (not aimed at you!)why the hell would you inconvenience yourself?

Back in the early days I paid for a full course of driving lessons and test as a Christmas present for one of my warehouse lads, that cost about £1k, a few months later he got the hump and walked out never to be seen again. I've lost count of the times an employee has asked to be paid early for some reason or another, then left without notice half way through the month. I'd like to think that treating employees well creates loyalty and goodwill, but I've seen no evidence of it.

[Esseesse]

Liokault said:

Esseesse said:

Jockman said:

Esseesse said:

Opinion polling was heavily against staying in the EEC prior to 1975's project fear getting started.

And was the opposite in 2016. Damn polls !!

Not true, in the months/years leading up to the referendum campaign polling was pretty tight by historical standards.

Really?

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-watc...

Look at opinion polling in the 70's and 80's and you'll see what I mean by historical standards.

[SKP555]

Derek Smith said:

One way of limiting the effects of globalisation on those at the bottom, and soon to be those in the middle, is to join a big group of trading nations. That way you can set competition requirements. If a company exporting to the group, let's call it an Economic Union, or EU for short, in udercutting by government subsidy then a tariff can be put on the products to ensure things are fair.

I don't think it will catch on though. Not here.

I imagine this hypothetical trading bloc would have a flourishing economy with low unemployment, high growth and low debt. Hypothetically.

[Terminator X]

Rich getting richer (incl companies), poor getting poorer. Never going to end well.

If well off companies started to pay "proper" taxes that were then used to "help" the poorer elements of society it would be a start imho. It's simply fked up if the Corp Tax they pay in any given country is <5%!

TX.

[Mark Benson]

SKP555 said:

Derek Smith said:

One way of limiting the effects of globalisation on those at the bottom, and soon to be those in the middle, is to join a big group of trading nations. That way you can set competition requirements. If a company exporting to the group, let's call it an Economic Union, or EU for short, in udercutting by government subsidy then a tariff can be put on the products to ensure things are fair.

I don't think it will catch on though. Not here.

I imagine this hypothetical trading bloc would have a flourishing economy with low unemployment, high growth and low debt. Hypothetically.

And of course that this bloc would remain just a mechanism for trading between member nations and not, for example a quasi-state with for instance, a parliament and a supreme court.

Because that would make it something else entirely.

[Kawasicki]

I listened to a radio program about German attitudes to globalization a couple of evenings ago.

According to a recent government survey globalization is the number one concern for Germans at the moment.

Which is surprising, as it is not what I hear Germans talking about.

In the final minute or so of the program they mentioned that the survey showed that the majority of concern regarding globalization was due to uncontrolled immigration. They didn’t linger on that point long.

So in Germany at least, uncontrolled immigration is classed as a sub category of globalization.

I don’t really see them as the same thing.

[Esseesse]

Terminator X said:

Rich getting richer (incl companies), poor getting poorer. Never going to end well.

If well off companies started to pay "proper" taxes that were then used to "help" the poorer elements of society it would be a start imho. It's simply fked up if the Corp Tax they pay in any given country is <5%!

TX.

The way to help the poor is to reduce the tax burden on the 99% of companies that aren't the Google's.

[avinalarf]

Kawasicki said:

I listened to a radio program about German attitudes to globalization a couple of evenings ago.

According to a recent government survey globalization is the number one concern for Germans at the moment.

Which is surprising, as it is not what I hear Germans talking about.

In the final minute or so of the program they mentioned that the survey showed that the majority of concern regarding globalization was due to uncontrolled immigration. They didn’t linger on that point long.

So in Germany at least, uncontrolled immigration is classed as a sub category of globalization.

I don’t really see them as the same thing.

About 18 months ago I was on a ferry to Ischia and got into conversation with a German,about sixty years old.
He turned out to be a wealthy industrialist,his company supplying techy stuff to the German car industry.
He said how great he thought it was that Germany would be welcoming the influx of immigrants and praised Merkle for her actions.
The benefits to him,I presume,being a greater pool of labour for his factories.
I sensitively told him about my concerns,and others in the UK,of the problems that such an uncontrolled large influx of immigrants might bring with it.
He was dismissive about those concerns.

[crankedup]

sidicks said:

In most businesses, the people that progress are those that are prepared to go beyond what they are contracted to do...

Certainly as you become more senior, it becomes less about working your contracted hours and more about working until things are complete.

Agreed, although in the 'good old days' these people were often referred to as 'brown noses' .However, the reality is that it is a two way street, the boss has to signal to the workers that 'loyalty pays' in the longer term. From what I gather from pub talk and newspapers most Companies are mostly take take and pay the minimum possible. As a personal example we had to take a break from driving, tiredness kills and all that, the first place we chanced upon was a Little Chef, so in we go. One youngster taking the customer orders, prepping and bringing the customers oreder to the table, wiping down tables and doing the money side as well. He did have an assistant in the kitchen cooking chips / fat burgers etc. We paid our bill of about seven quid and my better half said, ' don't tell me, that's more than your hourly rate I suppose'? Yes he replied I am paid four pounds an hour.

[mcdjl]

crankedup said:

Agreed, although in the 'good old days' these people were often referred to as 'brown noses' .However, the reality is that it is a two way street, the boss has to signal to the workers that 'loyalty pays' in the longer term. From what I gather from pub talk and newspapers most Companies are mostly take take and pay the minimum possible. As a personal example we had to take a break from driving, tiredness kills and all that, the first place we chanced upon was a Little Chef, so in we go. One youngster taking the customer orders, prepping and bringing the customers oreder to the table, wiping down tables and doing the money side as well. He did have an assistant in the kitchen cooking chips / fat burgers etc. We paid our bill of about seven quid and my better half said, ' don't tell me, that's more than your hourly rate I suppose'? Yes he replied I am paid four pounds an hour.

I hate tiping, I'd much rather the staff were just paid properly up front.
I also think its wrong how many employees receive benefits from the government as they earn too little to come off income support (or whatever it is). The difference (on some horrible hour worked/pro-rata) should be taken as a direct tax from the company to stop the practice of using many employees at fewer hours than takes to cut in the NI contributions. More anecdotally theres mileage in looking more closely at some of the 'apprenticeships' offered by the likes of Tesco.

[Murph7355]

Terminator X said:

Rich getting richer (incl companies), poor getting poorer. Never going to end well.

If well off companies started to pay "proper" taxes that were then used to "help" the poorer elements of society it would be a start imho. It's simply fked up if the Corp Tax they pay in any given country is <5%!

TX.

What rate should they be paying? You do realise that it isn't really the company paying the tax?

If we had more companies set up here there'd be more jobs to help people help themselves...

[wc98]

RYH64E said:

Back in the early days I paid for a full course of driving lessons and test as a Christmas present for one of my warehouse lads, that cost about £1k, a few months later he got the hump and walked out never to be seen again. I've lost count of the times an employee has asked to be paid early for some reason or another, then left without notice half way through the month. I'd like to think that treating employees well creates loyalty and goodwill, but I've seen no evidence of it.

having read your posts over a number of years now, i have a feeling you are probably one of the best sorts of employer. from what i see of many of the younger lads i know around here (i know a lot as my brother is 22 years younger than me) i sadly have to agree with your experience. they are not all like that ,but the fact the ones with the right attitude to work stand out so much says it all to me.

i used to think that when someone ended up working for a decent employer that pays them well for the job they do and gives them an opportunity to develop (you certainly pay well above average from what i remember on another thread) they would realise what they had and put a bit more effort in.considering there are so many employers out there really taking the piss ,especially with lower paid jobs,but it appears not to be so,and i do not have a clue why.