14 Years for keeping a sawn-off under your kids bed?

[bitchstewie]

I don't know if I'm thinking 14 years is too much or the amount of time you seem to do for far worse is too little but it did seem a long time assuming there's not something not being reported?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006174/Mo...

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

I don't know if I'm thinking 14 years is too much or the amount of time you seem to do for far worse is too little but it did seem a long time assuming there's not something not being reported?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006174/Mo...

I'm guessing she's no criminal mastermind. Seems excessive but then again nothing surprises me when it comes to justice and the law.

[Soov535]

bhstewie said:

I don't know if I'm thinking 14 years is too much or the amount of time you seem to do for far worse is too little but it did seem a long time assuming there's not something not being reported?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006174/Mo...

No one who has a sawn off has it for legitimate reasons.

Ever.

[anonymous-user]

She wasn't just keeping it, the offence requires proof the possessor intends life to be endangered, although it is sufficient if the intent is that the firearms or ammunition should be used in a manner which endangers life as and when the occasion requires.

[bitchstewie]

La Liga said:

She wasn't just keeping it, the offence requires proof the possessor intends life to be endangered, although it is sufficient if the intent is that the firearms or ammunition should be used in a manner which endangers life as and when the occasion requires.

Pedant question but.. from your experience is there ever a circumstance where someone could keep a sawn off and not intend life to be endangered i.e. is there a circumstance in which the sentence could be less?

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Pedant question but.. from your experience is there ever a circumstance where someone could keep a sawn off and not intend life to be endangered i.e. is there a circumstance in which the sentence could be less?

A sawn-off generates a bit of a sinister image, doesn't it? I guess it's the modification that makes it so.

There's ample scope to keep a sawn-off and not have the intention to endanger life. Keeping it to shoot animals, for example. Being a bit of a 'weirdo' and wanting to have something that resembles something you've seen in a film. Self-defence can actually be one, although even though it's cited as an example of how self-defence may be, it reads more like it was a misdirection from the judge.

Case law said:

G was a heroin addict and dealer. In his flat were two shortened shotguns. G had been attacked with a knife by one of his customers and had used one of the guns to shoot him. Five days later the police went to the flat to arrest G's brother on an unrelated matter.

G was seen to go to the balcony of the flat with one of the guns and raise it to waist level, causing a police officer to take cover behind a wall. He was arrested and the gun was found to be loaded. G was charged with, among other charges, possessing a firearm with intent to endanger life contrary to section 16 of the Firearms Act 1968.

At his trial he stated that the police officer had not been in uniform and that he thought that he was in danger of being attacked. The judge gave no direction as to whether G's intent to endanger life might have been in self defence. G was convicted and appealed.

Appeal allowed. Conviction quashed.

It was a defence to section 16 of the Firearms Act 1968 to show that the intent to endanger life had a lawful purpose, the question of whether or not the purpose was lawful was one that should be put to the jury. In this case it had not been so put, therefore the appeal was allowed. However, a count of possessing a firearm without a certificate was substituted, made aggravated by the fact that the gun was sawn-off. The total prison sentence was reduced from 10 years to 8 years and 6 months.

[V8Matthew]

Not that I'd do it, but £65 seems a piss poor offer to look after something which could land one in jail for a considerable amount of time!

[bitchstewie]

Thanks, good explanation I'm not sure I'd say sinister but it's not something you'd have down as something grandad kept after the war, used to shoot rats etc. it's something that I personally can think of no rational reason for.

Anyway, in simple terms it's 14 years because she knew the person she was keeping it for would use it to do something bad when they collected it (vs. shooting rats)?

[Pesty]

V8Matthew said:

Not that I'd do it, but £65 seems a piss poor offer to look after something which could land one in jail for a considerable amount of time!

She's probably not very intelligent

[egor110]

bhstewie said:

Thanks, good explanation I'm not sure I'd say sinister but it's not something you'd have down as something grandad kept after the war, used to shoot rats etc. it's something that I personally can think of no rational reason for.

Anyway, in simple terms it's 14 years because she knew the person she was keeping it for would use it to do something bad when they collected it (vs. shooting rats)?

Surely the question would be why did you saw the barrel off to shoot rats ?

[Soov535]

V8Matthew said:

Not that I'd do it, but £65 seems a piss poor offer to look after something which could land one in jail for a considerable amount of time!

She's clearly thick, and that's why he picked her.

[popeyewhite]

La Liga said:

Keeping it to shoot animals, for example.

Can't shoot animals with a sawn-off, it's for close range stuff only. People saw barrels off so the gun can be carried under a coat. No reason whatsoever to own one unless you plan something nefarious.

[Ayahuasca]

egor110 said:

bhstewie said:

Thanks, good explanation I'm not sure I'd say sinister but it's not something you'd have down as something grandad kept after the war, used to shoot rats etc. it's something that I personally can think of no rational reason for.

Anyway, in simple terms it's 14 years because she knew the person she was keeping it for would use it to do something bad when they collected it (vs. shooting rats)?

Surely the question would be why did you saw the barrel off to shoot rats ?

You can buy a shotrevolver for shooting vermin.

In the USA of course.

[SteveScooby]

14 years for having a gun under your bed.

6 for shooting someone;

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-man-jailed...

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

Can't shoot animals with a sawn-off, it's for close range stuff only. People saw barrels off so the gun can be carried under a coat. No reason whatsoever to own one unless you plan something nefarious.

Of course you can shoot animals with one. It doesn't have to be effective.

Yes, the modification is generally used for those reasons but the context was theoretical circumstances in which would prevent the offence being made out.

[anonymous-user]

I'm not disputing it's not going to be the best tool for the job, I'm talking about things which could theoretically add reasonable doubt to the offence in question.

[Smiler.]

Soov535 said:

bhstewie said:

I don't know if I'm thinking 14 years is too much or the amount of time you seem to do for far worse is too little but it did seem a long time assuming there's not something not being reported?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006174/Mo...

No one who has a sawn off has it for legitimate reasons.

Ever.

I've seen enough documentaries about the Zombie Apocalypse to know that it's only a matter of time.

[Prohibiting]

Ayahuasca said:

You can buy a shotrevolver for shooting vermin.

In the USA of course.

I'll correct you slightly. While not being allowed a full .410 6-shot revolver (Taurus Judge) You CAN own 2-shot .410 shot pistol (Bond Arms) here in the UK and it's relatively easy to get if you're already a firearms holder and own land/have permissions to shoot on land. I used to own one a couple years ago. The simple reason for requiring one is "shooting vermin inside and around various farm buildings/outbuildings. As I'm a farmer, I had no trouble getting one granted. The only difficult bit was sourcing one. Good fun though but not particularly effective. A hushpower .410 is probably better if you want to be shooting rats/vermin inside and around outbuildings.





The power of the kickback is quite amusing. I'd imagine it's similar to shooting a .50 desert eagle

Edited by Prohibiting on Tuesday 6th December 18:01

[anonymous-user]

Del Boy used a sawn off for clay pigeon shooting.

Surely legit in that case?

[drainbrain]

She's a dimwit, she's been exploited, she's been over-sentenced and when it's appealed she'll end up with 5 years instead.