Marine A secures new hearing.
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castroses said:
Yep Marine A banged up due to some Officer Dibble w
kstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules.
Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
He was banged up for murdering somebody. kstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules. Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
castroses said:
Yep Marine A banged up due to some Officer Dibble wkstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules.
Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
He risked his life so the IPCC home and dry in the UK could play procedures to cover up bent Coppers.kstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules. Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
I've followed your lead, but have compared opinions on this killing and that of Mark Duggan.
I donated to the Daily Mail campaign for this appeal.
castroses said:
Yep Marine A banged up due to some Officer Dibble wkstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules.
Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
We should want the police to investigate what they find. Whether or not you agree with the outcome or the sentence, they're just there to make sure a fair and impartial investigation is carried out. Otherwise, you just end up down a blind alley of selective investigation, which isn't ideal in cases that may or may not be murder. kstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules. Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
Folk not knowing how the justice system works, just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country
e8_pack said:
Rubbish. There's hundreds of hours of footage they can use, what difference would that really make.
Really? There's a few incidents from Iraq (mainly American but a few British), but can't think of many other such incidents in Afghanistan.Plenty of evidence from Malaya and Vietnam that abuses by occupying forces caused bigger problems.
castroses said:
Yep Marine A banged up due to some Officer Dibble wkstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules.
Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
Yes, of course, investigating a murder is definitely what is wrong with this country.kstain sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. Of course I'm sure it's the case that no plod has ever bent or broken the rules. Just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country.
Loyly said:
We should want the police to investigate what they find. Whether or not you agree with the outcome or the sentence, they're just there to make sure a fair and impartial investigation is carried out. Otherwise, you just end up down a blind alley of selective investigation, which isn't ideal in cases that may or may not be murder.
Folk not knowing how the justice system works, just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country
A fair and impartial investiagtion can be avoided by the police and their regulator playing the rule book to ensure obvious conflicts of interest and impartiality bypasses are not investigated. That's 'justice' in this Country. Folk not knowing how the justice system works, just another symptom of all that's wrong in this country
Royal Marine Blackman and his colleagues risked their lives defending such a justice system, that is probably a 'British Value'.
Pebbles167 said:
castroses said:
MarshPhantom said:
e8_pack said:
I haven't read much, but the guy was fired upon and he killed one of the insurgents at close range.
You put anyone in a kill or be killed situation, don't be surprised if they don't always act rationally.
I hope ISIS are court martialing their guys.
ISIS are a terrorist organization, this chap was in the British Army. You put anyone in a kill or be killed situation, don't be surprised if they don't always act rationally.
I hope ISIS are court martialing their guys.
Jesus wept. What a bunch of Manginas the men of this country are when they don't even know basic s
t like that. Its a bit like the Fleet Air Arm (as was) which did a similar role to the RAF, but was part of the Navy.
Castroses is certainly a bright one.
carinaman said:
Royal Marine Blackman and his colleagues risked their lives defending such a justice system, that is probably a 'British Value'.
He murdered someone. Your picking and choosing which court outcomes you accept speaks volumes about your bias and agenda. La Liga said:
Castroses is certainly a bright one
He notes that a police officer was "sticking his nose in where it didn't belong".The officer was investigating a crime. I'm fairly sure "sticking your nose into peoples things" while investigating them for a crime is fairly normal practice.
carinaman said:
A fair and impartial investiagtion can be avoided by the police and their regulator playing the rule book to ensure obvious conflicts of interest and impartiality bypasses are not investigated. That's 'justice' in this Country.
Don't be stupid, you're living a comic book fantasy. We aren't policed by the Gestapo 
NinjaPower said:
La Liga said:
Castroses is certainly a bright one
He notes that a police officer was "sticking his nose in where it didn't belong".The officer was investigating a crime. I'm fairly sure "sticking your nose into peoples things" while investigating them for a crime is fairly normal practice.
La Liga said:
NinjaPower said:
La Liga said:
Castroses is certainly a bright one
He notes that a police officer was "sticking his nose in where it didn't belong".The officer was investigating a crime. I'm fairly sure "sticking your nose into peoples things" while investigating them for a crime is fairly normal practice.
Yeah, we're not policed by the Stasi or the Gestappo.
carinaman said:
Was PC Anthony Gillard formerly of Avon & Somerset police targeting Mr H, the husband of Mrs H, that PC Anthony Gillard putting an ANPR trace on Mr H's care sticking his nose in where he shouldn't have?
Yeah, we're not policed by the Stasi or the Gestappo.
Nice anti-police wibble on a thread about a convicted murdering ex-Marine. Yeah, we're not policed by the Stasi or the Gestappo.
PC Gillard committed gross misconduct. PC Gillard was sacked it.
That wouldn't happen in the Stasi / Gestappo, would it?
It's amusing to see that you are too limited to realise how you managed to wholly undermine your entire point with the example you were purporting to support it.
I'm ex-forces and have been paying a lot of interest to this case.
Firstly, unless you've been in combat it's virtually impossible to understand the pressures involved on the individual, both during and after the event. This is at the source of the military upset over the legal armchair quarterbacking that's been going on.
As it stands the case has been referred back to the courts, as I understand this is in itself fairly unusual. Of many that ask very, very few get to this stage. Largely, again from my reading, this is due to several factors not having been put before the court at the original trial. This includes the potential that Sgt Blackman was suffering some form of PTSD at the time of the incident due to the preceding few days action.
My feeling is that once all the pertinent facts have been examined the courts should come to a conclusion about a reasonable degree of guilt, or not. If it is still deemed to be murder? Throw away the key, he will have let us all down, but there is clearly enough grounds to re-examine things and we shouldn't be judging him as guilty until these have been looked at.
Firstly, unless you've been in combat it's virtually impossible to understand the pressures involved on the individual, both during and after the event. This is at the source of the military upset over the legal armchair quarterbacking that's been going on.
As it stands the case has been referred back to the courts, as I understand this is in itself fairly unusual. Of many that ask very, very few get to this stage. Largely, again from my reading, this is due to several factors not having been put before the court at the original trial. This includes the potential that Sgt Blackman was suffering some form of PTSD at the time of the incident due to the preceding few days action.
My feeling is that once all the pertinent facts have been examined the courts should come to a conclusion about a reasonable degree of guilt, or not. If it is still deemed to be murder? Throw away the key, he will have let us all down, but there is clearly enough grounds to re-examine things and we shouldn't be judging him as guilty until these have been looked at.
La Liga said:
ice anti-police wibble on a thread about a convicted murdering ex-Marine.
PC Gillard committed gross misconduct. PC Gillard was sacked it.
That wouldn't happen in the Stasi / Gestappo, would it?
It's amusing to see that you are too limited to see how you managed to wholly undermine your entire point with the example you were purporting to support it.
A Judge has said the requirements to be done in a Court of Law for Misconduct in Public Office are very high. PC Gillard committed gross misconduct. PC Gillard was sacked it.
That wouldn't happen in the Stasi / Gestappo, would it?
It's amusing to see that you are too limited to see how you managed to wholly undermine your entire point with the example you were purporting to support it.
So despite the statement given by Avon & Somerset police Gillard's Misconduct wasn't severe enough for him to be tried by his peers. He was tried by his employer whose IT resources Gillard misappropriated to stalk Mr H.
What a Judge once said has more credence than Anthony Gillards abuse of position, breach of trust and his Mens Rea and the statement of Avon & Somerset police.
There's a new version of the Stalking law today isn't there that covers victims being stalked by people that they weren't previously in a relationship with. I don't know if that law would cover the targeting of Mr H by PC Anthony Gillard and his little ANPR homer project.
A Copper using ANPR to track the Husband of a woman he's involved with. Yeah, a 'British Value' well worth dodging IEDs for that is.
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 7th December 21:34
If some incoherent ranting about a police officer being sacked allows you to somehow support a murdering marine, then crack on. It's not really surprising to see you operate in such a way.
There's a dedicated recent topic about it. How about putting it there rather than derailing threads in your usual self-indulgent way?
There's a dedicated recent topic about it. How about putting it there rather than derailing threads in your usual self-indulgent way?
carinaman said:
A Copper using ANPR to track the Husband of a woman he's involved with. Yeah, a 'British Value' well worth dodging IEDs for that is.
That's not 'the police' though, those are the actions of one lone rogue, abusing a police system. He was caught and knacked by 'the police'. You can't tar all with one brush to suit your own bias. If one soldier steals rations and abuses children in the Afghan outback, it doesn't make for an army of thieving child abusers, does it? Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 7th December 21:34
NinjaPower said:
La Liga said:
Castroses is certainly a bright one
He notes that a police officer was "sticking his nose in where it didn't belong".The officer was investigating a crime. I'm fairly sure "sticking your nose into peoples things" while investigating them for a crime is fairly normal practice.
The same types of dibble who upon retirement go to work for for organisations like Red Snapper investigating spurious claims against servicemen in Iraq etc. All the while profiting from this countries Legal Aid budget whilst simultaneously undermining the country. You couldn't make it up.
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