Pearl Harbor - 75th Anniversary
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
Mr Snrub said:
I think that's the key difference. even when they are long gone the amount of films, documentaries, interviews, newsreels, books, games etc will mean they will always be better remembered. WW1 was also the first major conflict were ordinary soldiers were able to easily record their views and experiences
What about the Boar war?
I think he means The Boer War.
That was was actually very well documented - but the main media in that era was newspapers. Some notable newspaper reports were filed - some by a certain Winston Churchill. It did take place during the earliest part of the film era but movie technology was in its infancy and I can't recall ever seeing any film of any aspects of the South African War.
It definitely predated the radio era too although veterans would still have been around in the 1920s to 1940 ( as depicted by the character Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army") but I can't recall hearing any recordings or seeing any interviews with veterans of that era.
World War 1 was the first war where aspects were filmed and, after the war, veterans were interviewed extensively for film, radio and TV projects.
World War 2 was, of course, very well covered by all sides through film and radio.
That was was actually very well documented - but the main media in that era was newspapers. Some notable newspaper reports were filed - some by a certain Winston Churchill. It did take place during the earliest part of the film era but movie technology was in its infancy and I can't recall ever seeing any film of any aspects of the South African War.
It definitely predated the radio era too although veterans would still have been around in the 1920s to 1940 ( as depicted by the character Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army") but I can't recall hearing any recordings or seeing any interviews with veterans of that era.
World War 1 was the first war where aspects were filmed and, after the war, veterans were interviewed extensively for film, radio and TV projects.
World War 2 was, of course, very well covered by all sides through film and radio.
Eric Mc said:
I think he means The Boer War.
That was was actually very well documented - but the main media in that era was newspapers. Some notable newspaper reports were filed - some by a certain Winston Churchill. It did take place during the earliest part of the film era but movie technology was in its infancy and I can't recall ever seeing any film of any aspects of the South African War.
It definitely predated the radio era too although veterans would still have been around in the 1920s to 1940 ( as depicted by the character Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army") but I can't recall hearing any recordings or seeing any interviews with veterans of that era.
World War 1 was the first war where aspects were filmed and, after the war, veterans were interviewed extensively for film, radio and TV projects.
World War 2 was, of course, very well covered by all sides through film and radio.
IIRC, I saw it stated once that "live action" battle scenes from WWI were either training exercises or reenacted for film because of various limitations. Any truth to that? The filming of the aftermath of battles and interviews are certainly plentiful.That was was actually very well documented - but the main media in that era was newspapers. Some notable newspaper reports were filed - some by a certain Winston Churchill. It did take place during the earliest part of the film era but movie technology was in its infancy and I can't recall ever seeing any film of any aspects of the South African War.
It definitely predated the radio era too although veterans would still have been around in the 1920s to 1940 ( as depicted by the character Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army") but I can't recall hearing any recordings or seeing any interviews with veterans of that era.
World War 1 was the first war where aspects were filmed and, after the war, veterans were interviewed extensively for film, radio and TV projects.
World War 2 was, of course, very well covered by all sides through film and radio.
ETA: I have seen the odd interview of an American Civil War vet filmed in the 1920s.
davepoth said:
I was an extra on the film Pearl Harbor.
I'm not quite sure whether that's a good or a bad thing.
I'd probably keep quiet on that. Only Michael Bay could take one of the most momentous events of the 20th century and turn it into something that gets in the way of a love triangle.I'm not quite sure whether that's a good or a bad thing.
Jimbeaux said:
IIRC, I saw it stated once that "live action" battle scenes from WWI were either training exercises or reenacted for film because of various limitations. Any truth to that? The filming of the aftermath of battles and interviews are certainly plentiful.
Most of the over the top/men advancing films were setup but there was a TV programme on over here a little while ago that found proof that one advance of soldiers across no mans land during the Somme offensive was real. Even finding the spot from which the cameraman had stood and the area he took, regiment and men who served.I have found a clip of it, ignore the first 22 seconds as those bits have been made up after, it's the clip of the hill later, soldiers are moving right to left.
Sorry it's not a bigger size, from 23 seconds on - http://www.britishpathe.com/video/british-tommies
"Genuine Somme battle footage: General view of battlefield with soldiers in trench or dugout. Men are seen running across the field. Some fall, wounded. (Note: Action is clearer in HD)"
On Pearl Harbor
I found this podcast very informative https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/spycast/id2016...
Quite a few authoritative name checks and books. And they dismiss the conspiracy, and explain the lead up and disaster in a believable way.
I found this podcast very informative https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/spycast/id2016...
Quite a few authoritative name checks and books. And they dismiss the conspiracy, and explain the lead up and disaster in a believable way.
Eric Mc said:
I think he means The Boer War.
That was was actually very well documented - but the main media in that era was newspapers. Some notable newspaper reports were filed - some by a certain Winston Churchill. It did take place during the earliest part of the film era but movie technology was in its infancy and I can't recall ever seeing any film of any aspects of the South African War.
It definitely predated the radio era too although veterans would still have been around in the 1920s to 1940 ( as depicted by the character Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army") but I can't recall hearing any recordings or seeing any interviews with veterans of that era.
World War 1 was the first war where aspects were filmed and, after the war, veterans were interviewed extensively for film, radio and TV projects.
World War 2 was, of course, very well covered by all sides through film and radio.
There is very little in the way of film regarding the Boer war. Hwever I have seen at least one clip , which showed British Soldiers fording a river in South Africa. I cannot recall the source. That was was actually very well documented - but the main media in that era was newspapers. Some notable newspaper reports were filed - some by a certain Winston Churchill. It did take place during the earliest part of the film era but movie technology was in its infancy and I can't recall ever seeing any film of any aspects of the South African War.
It definitely predated the radio era too although veterans would still have been around in the 1920s to 1940 ( as depicted by the character Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army") but I can't recall hearing any recordings or seeing any interviews with veterans of that era.
World War 1 was the first war where aspects were filmed and, after the war, veterans were interviewed extensively for film, radio and TV projects.
World War 2 was, of course, very well covered by all sides through film and radio.
As for other Boer War material , The Mitchell Kenyon library contains film of the homecoming of a local Boer War VC winner , as well as numerous subjects from the turn of the 19th/20th centuries.
rovermorris999 said:
My grandfather served in the second Boer war and then again in WWI. He died in 1963 when I was 6 or 7 and I have a few bits and bobs of his mainly from WW1. I only wish I could have got a few stories out of him.
Its possible that his service records have survived. If he was a commisioned Officer at any time in WW1, its very likely they have . The records for other ranks were badly damaged in the blitz so only around 15% survive, the officers records were in a different depository and mainly survive. If you know what regiment he was with in the Boer War , there are very comprehensive orders of battle in works like the Times history of the war in Soth Africa by Amery , plus of course , many regiments published histories specific to that particular war. So, if its known when he was in theatre , then his movments and what he was witness to ,can, (with some work) be revealed.
There are other resources, medal rolls for the QSA medal awarded for the Boer War , and medal index cards for the issue of WW1 medals.
There can be, with a smattering of luck , quite a lot to be dug out, regarding a mans service.
Thanks for that. We have some information, he was a RSM in the Royal Garrison Artillery in WW1 and I have his MM and other medals. I've managed to find a few dates out and bits of his record. I wonder if the RA have war diaries from WW1, I'd love to find out how he won his MM, I only have family stories about how it happened. I believe the citations were lost in the Blitz. Unfortunately he left the army after the Boer War and re-enlisted for WW1 so no contiguous record but perhaps he kept the same number when rejoining.
Sorry for drifting o/t Eric.
Sorry for drifting o/t Eric.
Where I live in the Philippines used to be the location of the biggest military installation outside of the USA. Clark Air Base.
It was bombed just hours after Pearl Harbour. About 80,personnel died and maybe 100 planes destroyed. Other US bases were bombed across The Philippines about the same time.
It was bombed just hours after Pearl Harbour. About 80,personnel died and maybe 100 planes destroyed. Other US bases were bombed across The Philippines about the same time.
rovermorris999 said:
Thanks for that. We have some information, he was a RSM in the Royal Garrison Artillery in WW1 and I have his MM and other medals. I've managed to find a few dates out and bits of his record. I wonder if the RA have war diaries from WW1, I'd love to find out how he won his MM, I only have family stories about how it happened. I believe the citations were lost in the Blitz. Unfortunately he left the army after the Boer War and re-enlisted for WW1 so no contiguous record but perhaps he kept the same number when rejoining.
Sorry for drifting o/t Eric.
Horribly off topic, so I had better make this my last post on this matter. Sorry for drifting o/t Eric.
I presume you are aware of the edge naming on his MM? This should yield his battery/brigade details, very important when trying reseach a man who served in a large corps, like the RGA. The edge details on his Queens South Africa medal should also reveal his Battery/brigade details , but I assume you do not have it, as it would also have his service number on it , like his WW1 medals.
I strongly suggest, that you join this forum. : http://www.britishmedalforum.com/index.php
These people are seriously clued up when it comes to researching the service of Soldiers/sailors/airmen. Recomend you join, announce yourself, explain why you are there, and then impart all the details you know so far. If there is more to find , its odds on they will find, or point you to it.
Other than that, entering your G'fathers name into google can sometime throw up things out of the blue, plus of course entering it here : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ could also yield results. You never know your luck !
Good luck.
FourWheelDrift said:
Jimbeaux said:
IIRC, I saw it stated once that "live action" battle scenes from WWI were either training exercises or reenacted for film because of various limitations. Any truth to that? The filming of the aftermath of battles and interviews are certainly plentiful.
Most of the over the top/men advancing films were setup but there was a TV programme on over here a little while ago that found proof that one advance of soldiers across no mans land during the Somme offensive was real. Even finding the spot from which the cameraman had stood and the area he took, regiment and men who served.I have found a clip of it, ignore the first 22 seconds as those bits have been made up after, it's the clip of the hill later, soldiers are moving right to left.
Sorry it's not a bigger size, from 23 seconds on - http://www.britishpathe.com/video/british-tommies
"Genuine Somme battle footage: General view of battlefield with soldiers in trench or dugout. Men are seen running across the field. Some fall, wounded. (Note: Action is clearer in HD)"
Jimbeaux said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Jimbeaux said:
IIRC, I saw it stated once that "live action" battle scenes from WWI were either training exercises or reenacted for film because of various limitations. Any truth to that? The filming of the aftermath of battles and interviews are certainly plentiful.
Most of the over the top/men advancing films were setup but there was a TV programme on over here a little while ago that found proof that one advance of soldiers across no mans land during the Somme offensive was real. Even finding the spot from which the cameraman had stood and the area he took, regiment and men who served.I have found a clip of it, ignore the first 22 seconds as those bits have been made up after, it's the clip of the hill later, soldiers are moving right to left.
Sorry it's not a bigger size, from 23 seconds on - http://www.britishpathe.com/video/british-tommies
"Genuine Somme battle footage: General view of battlefield with soldiers in trench or dugout. Men are seen running across the field. Some fall, wounded. (Note: Action is clearer in HD)"
Forensic lip reader too (forget they did that) to give voices to the silent films.
Boosted LS1 said:
There are 2 documentaries on tonight. One is exploring the possibility that the Brits and Americans let the Japanese attack in order for the US to join the war.
The other documentary is about the submarines. That's on at a later time so I'll get to watch both of them :-)
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the USA, with assistance from the U.K. in one way or another, did indeed drive Japan to war intentionally?The other documentary is about the submarines. That's on at a later time so I'll get to watch both of them :-)
My history was never brilliant but I do recall various head games after ww1 ended that also riled the japs somewhat. They were denied their share of the spoils while everybody else was busy expanding empires.
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