ITV This Morning "Ban the burka?" poll

ITV This Morning "Ban the burka?" poll

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Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
Can you see face of person in hoodie?
Identity is the issue.
The original answer was caveated with a reference to what's acceptable in British society. Not whether one can see someone's face.
What's acceptable in British society.... can you see the other person's face?

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Troubleatmill said:
What's acceptable in British society.... can you see the other person's face?
Is that your view or have you put it to a vote? Have we voted on hoodies, my high heels? Etc etc

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
What's acceptable in British society.... can you see the other person's face?
Is that your view or have you put it to a vote? Have we voted on hoodies, my high heels? Etc etc
I would say people generally trust chavs in hoodies and balaclavas as much as they do those in full Muslim garb...


gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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The problem for me about the Burka is not the women who wear them, but what it says about those around them.



Make your wife wear a burka and imho you're a bit of a.......well, you can guess. Simple as that really.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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To me we have fought very hard to become a society where we are all equal, I think many who say "let them wear what they want" really are missing the point of what many have fought for in times gone by.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
I would say people generally trust chavs in hoodies and balaclavas as much as they do those in full Muslim garb...
If it's about trust, I'd ban all scousers. Can't trust the fookers.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
I would say people generally trust chavs in hoodies and balaclavas as much as they do those in full Muslim garb...
If it's about trust, I'd ban all scousers. Can't trust the fookers.
Good point.

I will never buy a car from Liverpool, Glasgow of Bradford.

I'm I prejudiced? Yeah I suppose I am.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
I would say people generally trust chavs in hoodies and balaclavas as much as they do those in full Muslim garb...
If it's about trust, I'd ban all scousers. Can't trust the fookers.
If we're writing new legislation can we include perms and shell suits?

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
If we're writing new legislation can we include perms and shell suits?
Mate that would require you to get a whole new wardrobe. Having featured in Esquire magazine, I'll treat you to some sartorial delights.

chrispmartha

15,433 posts

129 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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gizlaroc said:
Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
I would say people generally trust chavs in hoodies and balaclavas as much as they do those in full Muslim garb...
If it's about trust, I'd ban all scousers. Can't trust the fookers.
Good point.

I will never buy a car from Liverpool, Glasgow of Bradford.

I'm I prejudiced? Yeah I suppose I am.
Maybe, or a bit daft, Bradford is massive, I live in a BD postcode and it's quite nice. I also bought my latest car from Glasgow, lovely guy, nice area.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
If we're writing new legislation can we include perms and shell suits?
Mate that would require you to get a whole new wardrobe. Having featured in Esquire magazine, I'll treat you to some sartorial delights.
I actually had a Keegan perm when they were a thing, they should definitely be banned! biggrin

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
If we're writing new legislation can we include perms and shell suits?
Mate that would require you to get a whole new wardrobe. Having featured in Esquire magazine, I'll treat you to some sartorial delights.
I actually had a Keegan perm when they were a thing, they should definitely be banned! biggrin
Fook me, I wouldn't be admitting st like that on a public forum. In fact, you should be made to wear a burka for having such bad taste.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
What's acceptable in British society.... can you see the other person's face?
Is that your view or have you put it to a vote? Have we voted on hoodies, my high heels? Etc etc
CCTV will quite easily pick you up when you go venturing in your high heels.
And guess what ,we will know it is you.
CCTV is not quite as adept at identifying an individual dressed top to toe as a black squashy pyramid.
Until you understand that identity is important - you won't grasp anything beyond this.

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Biker 1 said:
Alpinestars said:
Who makes the rules as to what is acceptable?
PH of course!
Going on the fact that the majority of PH is rich old white men that might not be far from the truth biggrin

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Troubleatmill said:
CCTV will quite easily pick you up when you go venturing in your high heels.
And guess what ,we will know it is you.
CCTV is not quite as adept at identifying an individual dressed top to toe as a black squashy pyramid.
Until you understand that identity is important - you won't grasp anything beyond this.
Must be a lot of CCTV out there with "black squashy pyramids" committing crime.

Are you sure you're not thinking PacMan?

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
CCTV will quite easily pick you up when you go venturing in your high heels.
And guess what ,we will know it is you.
CCTV is not quite as adept at identifying an individual dressed top to toe as a black squashy pyramid.
Until you understand that identity is important - you won't grasp anything beyond this.
Must be a lot of CCTV out there with "black squashy pyramids" committing crime.
Everyone shows their face. No exceptions.

What is your issue with that?


Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Troubleatmill said:
Everyone shows their face. No exceptions.

What is your issue with that?
Are you hard of reading? Read my first post.

chrispmartha

15,433 posts

129 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Troubleatmill said:
CCTV will quite easily pick you up when you go venturing in your high heels.
And guess what ,we will know it is you.
CCTV is not quite as adept at identifying an individual dressed top to toe as a black squashy pyramid.
Until you understand that identity is important - you won't grasp anything beyond this.
So have you got any statistics oncrimes commited by people in burkas? Is it a a major problem?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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gizlaroc said:



1, 2, 3 Cheese....AND NO ONE BLINK THIS TIME!



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AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Murph7355 said:
How do you know?

I imagine few people grow up thinking "when I grow up I'll wear a cassock" but after some religious indoctrination a good number do, even though I think it looks outmoded in this day and age. Doesn't mean it should be outlawed though, does it?

If something doesn't harm others, adding laws to it is daft and intolerant. And if you do so selectively it is prejudiced. Uncomfortable as that may sound to you.
People covering their faces during everyday interaction does harm other people. This is not the way in which our culture operates or has ever operated. It places people who do not cover their face at an immediate disadvantage when interacting as they have no facial body language to react to.

It's fine when you live in a culture that requires women to interact almost exclusively with other women when their faces are uncovered but not in our society.