ITV This Morning "Ban the burka?" poll
Discussion
anonymous said:
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Is it though? Based on simple observations, it seems to me that Burqa wearing is most prevalent amongst the very richest members of the Muslim community (generally seen exiting Rolls Royce cars outside Harrods) and the very poorest (who are already stuck in economic ghettos). Two groups that are unlikely to be engaged with by the average members of British society regardless of their clothing choices.TTwiggy said:
Has there been a spate of Burqa-facilliated armed robberies then? Seems a bit of a non-problem to me.
I suppose it is a bit of a non problem, unless you work in a cash rich environment and get heightened stress when a person enters wearing a disguise.It matters not whether burkha wearing robbers are on the rampage, it is purely the effect on staff I would prefer not to have to tolerate due to peoples religious idiocies.
If you prefer the world not see your face then just stay in.
Easy
stitched said:
TTwiggy said:
Has there been a spate of Burqa-facilliated armed robberies then? Seems a bit of a non-problem to me.
I suppose it is a bit of a non problem, unless you work in a cash rich environment and get heightened stress when a person enters wearing a disguise.It matters not whether burkha wearing robbers are on the rampage, it is purely the effect on staff I would prefer not to have to tolerate due to peoples religious idiocies.
If you prefer the world not see your face then just stay in.
Easy
Back in the real world, I've been crossing roads long enough to know that it's no more of a risk than the hoody on the tube mugging me. But if we want to legislate for the coulda woulda shoulda world, I see your point.
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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Is it though? Based on simple observations, it seems to me that Burqa wearing is most prevalent amongst the very richest members of the Muslim community (generally seen exiting Rolls Royce cars outside Harrods) and the very poorest (who are already stuck in economic ghettos). Two groups that are unlikely to be engaged with by the average members of British society regardless of their clothing choices.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-10728/...
Anyway, back in the real world, Muslims are - despite what the scaremongering press or the propaganda of extremists might have us all believe - less than 5% of the British population. It therefore stands to good reason that they might get on a little better if they behave more like the rest of us with regard to this issue.
Murph7355 said:
WinstonWolf said:
... it's simply a personal choice. I...
Indeed it is. For something to wear. And you want to legislate against it.Waste of time, effort and statute paper. If someone wants to disadvantage themselves with what they wear, let them.
Best. Snip. Ever. Have you considered writing for the DM? You've even snipped a word in half 
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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Is it though? Based on simple observations, it seems to me that Burqa wearing is most prevalent amongst the very richest members of the Muslim community (generally seen exiting Rolls Royce cars outside Harrods) and the very poorest (who are already stuck in economic ghettos). Two groups that are unlikely to be engaged with by the average members of British society regardless of their clothing choices.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-10728/...
Anyway, back in the real world, Muslims are - despite what the scaremongering press or the propaganda of extremists might have us all believe - less than 5% of the British population. It therefore stands to good reason that they might get on a little better if they behave more like the rest of us with regard to this issue.
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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Is it though? Based on simple observations, it seems to me that Burqa wearing is most prevalent amongst the very richest members of the Muslim community (generally seen exiting Rolls Royce cars outside Harrods) and the very poorest (who are already stuck in economic ghettos). Two groups that are unlikely to be engaged with by the average members of British society regardless of their clothing choices.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-10728/...
Anyway, back in the real world, Muslims are - despite what the scaremongering press or the propaganda of extremists might have us all believe - less than 5% of the British population. It therefore stands to good reason that they might get on a little better if they behave more like the rest of us with regard to this issue.
Burkas, being used as a disguise by criminals, not in Harrods. So I'm taking a wild leap and assuming they're not wealthy either, just hoping to become so.
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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Is it though? Based on simple observations, it seems to me that Burqa wearing is most prevalent amongst the very richest members of the Muslim community (generally seen exiting Rolls Royce cars outside Harrods) and the very poorest (who are already stuck in economic ghettos). Two groups that are unlikely to be engaged with by the average members of British society regardless of their clothing choices.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-10728/...
Anyway, back in the real world, Muslims are - despite what the scaremongering press or the propaganda of extremists might have us all believe - less than 5% of the British population. It therefore stands to good reason that they might get on a little better if they behave more like the rest of us with regard to this issue.
Burkas, being used as a disguise by criminals, not in Harrods. So I'm taking a wild leap and assuming they're not wealthy either, just hoping to become so.
WinstonWolf said:
Murph7355 said:
WinstonWolf said:
... it's simply a personal choice. I...
Indeed it is. For something to wear. And you want to legislate against it.Waste of time, effort and statute paper. If someone wants to disadvantage themselves with what they wear, let them.
Best. Snip. Ever. Have you considered writing for the DM? You've even snipped a word in half The other bit was really the only important bit of what you wrote. What people wear is simply a personal choice. Legislating against it because of personal fears is backward. (As is the rationale for wearing the garment in question IMO. But again, it's simply a personal choice).
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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Is it though? Based on simple observations, it seems to me that Burqa wearing is most prevalent amongst the very richest members of the Muslim community (generally seen exiting Rolls Royce cars outside Harrods) and the very poorest (who are already stuck in economic ghettos). Two groups that are unlikely to be engaged with by the average members of British society regardless of their clothing choices.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-10728/...
Anyway, back in the real world, Muslims are - despite what the scaremongering press or the propaganda of extremists might have us all believe - less than 5% of the British population. It therefore stands to good reason that they might get on a little better if they behave more like the rest of us with regard to this issue.
Burkas, being used as a disguise by criminals, not in Harrods. So I'm taking a wild leap and assuming they're not wealthy either, just hoping to become so.
FWIW, I'm also unsure a ban is a good idea, any more than creating the totally, utterly and demonstrable false idea that face covering of any sort is normal or, in general company, okay in the Britain.
Digga said:
You made a statement that "Burka wearing was most prevalent in..." which I think has no grounds or basis in fact.
Fine, but your video didn't exactly challenge my assertion.Digga said:
FWIW, I'm also unsure a ban is a good idea, any more than creating the totally, utterly and demonstrable false idea that face covering of any sort is normal or, in general company, okay in the Britain.
I also agree that a ban is a bad idea. I think it's a complex subject. It should also be acknowledged that some Muslim women find it quite liberating to wear, as it removes the issue (which women from all communities experience) of being judged on 'looks' or 'sexiness' (whether positively, negatively or creepily).TTwiggy said:
It should also be acknowledged that some Muslim women find it quite liberating to wear, as it removes the issue (which women from all communities experience) of being judged on 'looks' or 'sexiness' (whether positively, negatively or creepily).
Some people find it quite liberating to be naked all the time. See where I'm going with this?Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
It should also be acknowledged that some Muslim women find it quite liberating to wear, as it removes the issue (which women from all communities experience) of being judged on 'looks' or 'sexiness' (whether positively, negatively or creepily).
Some people find it quite liberating to be naked all the time. See where I'm going with this?18 pages long and some of reasons given to ban it are comical.
As i mentioned before I dont see the issue with people wanting to wear a Burka. Its a choice they have made to wear it, and as a tolerant western country then we should let people wear want they want. If you ban it on religious terms then you need to ban all other religious clothing.
If you ban it on security grounds then you need also ban hoods, hats, scarfs, wigs etc which people wear day to day as they also can hide people identities.
There is a comment about integration and I do understand the issues people have and they feel a burka can cause. In that case its for both sides to make the effort to integrate and not just point blank refuse just because of a veil.
As i mentioned before I dont see the issue with people wanting to wear a Burka. Its a choice they have made to wear it, and as a tolerant western country then we should let people wear want they want. If you ban it on religious terms then you need to ban all other religious clothing.
If you ban it on security grounds then you need also ban hoods, hats, scarfs, wigs etc which people wear day to day as they also can hide people identities.
There is a comment about integration and I do understand the issues people have and they feel a burka can cause. In that case its for both sides to make the effort to integrate and not just point blank refuse just because of a veil.
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
It should also be acknowledged that some Muslim women find it quite liberating to wear, as it removes the issue (which women from all communities experience) of being judged on 'looks' or 'sexiness' (whether positively, negatively or creepily).
Some people find it quite liberating to be naked all the time. See where I'm going with this?Challo said:
As i mentioned before I dont see the issue with people wanting to wear a Burka. Its a choice they have made to wear it, and as a tolerant western country then we should let people wear want they want. If you ban it on religious terms then you need to ban all other religious clothing.
It isn't an item of religious clothing.Challo said:
There is a comment about integration and I do understand the issues people have and they feel a burka can cause. In that case its for both sides to make the effort to integrate and not just point blank refuse just because of a veil.
It's pretty hard to integrate whilst wearing a full face veil, unless you mean the non-muslims are the ones to integrate.Quick question for those concerned with 'integration': How many meaningful social exchanges have you had with non-veiled Muslim women, where you feel that both of you have made positive strides towards the integration of both your societies, and where it would be sadly impossible to do the same with a veiled Muslim woman? Rounded up to the nearest 10 would be fine.
TTwiggy said:
Quick question for those concerned with 'integration': How many meaningful social exchanges have you had with non-veiled Muslim women, where you feel that both of you have made positive strides towards the integration of both your societies, and where it would be sadly impossible to do the same with a veiled Muslim woman? Rounded up to the nearest 10 would be fine.
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