ITV This Morning "Ban the burka?" poll
Discussion
Countdown said:
Quite a few muslim countries like to dictate what women can and can't wear. That's one of the things that differentiates them from modern, liberal, democracies. We genuinely shouldn't be looking at them for pointers on how to run a decent society.
Well TTwiggy seems to think we should. At least rhey don't get pissed and send topless pics to the tabloids in Saudi Arabia. Ah, this is the article I was looking for, an interesting insight into how Saudi women feel about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/middleeast...
Hopefully the NYTimes isn't considered a bit DM...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/middleeast...
Hopefully the NYTimes isn't considered a bit DM...
WinstonWolf said:
Ah, this is the article I was looking for, an interesting insight into how Saudi women feel about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/middleeast...
Hopefully the NYTimes isn't considered a bit DM...
As I always point out in these kind of threads, Western Feminists are conspicuous by their absence when it comes to women's rights in the middle east. Much easier to complain about men spreading their legs too far apart on the Tubehttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/middleeast...
Hopefully the NYTimes isn't considered a bit DM...
WinstonWolf said:
Ah, this is the article I was looking for, an interesting insight into how Saudi women feel about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/middleeast...
Hopefully the NYTimes isn't considered a bit DM...
Other viewpoints are also available....http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/middleeast...
Hopefully the NYTimes isn't considered a bit DM...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11120...
The NYT article refers to women in Saudi Arabia. Banning the burka in the UK will have no effect on them. It WILL have an effect on those quoted in the Telegraph.
I don't make my girlfriend wear a bikini, I don't require any costume from her.
If she chose to wear clothing which obscured her identity I wouldn't expect shops, petrol stations or other cash rich places to serve her.
Naturists choose to go to places which tolerate their nakedness. They rarely turn up at tesco in the buff.
If she chose to wear clothing which obscured her identity I wouldn't expect shops, petrol stations or other cash rich places to serve her.
Naturists choose to go to places which tolerate their nakedness. They rarely turn up at tesco in the buff.
stitched said:
I don't make my girlfriend wear a bikini, I don't require any costume from her.
If she chose to wear clothing which obscured her identity I wouldn't expect shops, petrol stations or other cash rich places to serve her.
Naturists choose to go to places which tolerate their nakedness. They rarely turn up at tesco in the buff.
What if she chooses to wear what she wants. Would you tell her she can't?If she chose to wear clothing which obscured her identity I wouldn't expect shops, petrol stations or other cash rich places to serve her.
Naturists choose to go to places which tolerate their nakedness. They rarely turn up at tesco in the buff.
This b
ks about serving keeps coming up. Just use a little IQ and take it to it's logical conclusion. 
BJG1 said:
andymc said:
there is no place for this in any society, backwards misogynistic view point
Completely agree. The Government instructing women on what they can and can't wear is a horribly misogynistic step and we'd be incredibly unwise to take it.
But I don't see how one can conflate misogyny into the banning of the burka.
That misogyny word gets bandied about in the same way sexism was twenty years ago.
Misogyny strongly implies hatred which is not necessarily the same as stupid/foolish, out of touch, sexist.
The words sexism/sexist lost their power through over use and constant misuse years ago. It has become almost a badge of honour.
The word misogyny may well go the same way the way it is so casually bandied about.
If the singling out of everything that may affect women's choices is misogynistic, then everything that affects men's choices must be misandry.
For my own part, I don't like the burka. I fully agree that is has the potential to be divisive.
None of my (admittedly small) group of Muslim friends like it either; principally for the same reason.
That said, I have an even greater dislike for the idea of a government that bans articles of clothing.
But while they're at it, could they please consider banning of men wearing saggy arse jeans below the buttocks to that list?
anonymous said:
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I've never met this average Joe. Some people probably do think that. Some people probably have less well defined discomfort. Some people probably don't like Muslims and think banning veils is a good way to get at them.Since you ask, I definitely do think they are a symbol of intolerance and subjugation of women. I don't think they should be banned in all circumstances but I do think they should be banned in schools, public buildings, airports and any private business that wishes to ban them. And I find the fact that some women choose (or "choose") to wear them very sad in theway I would find people wearing swastikas sad.
mybrainhurts said:
So, 79% of lefty poll responders want to keep the burka.
The same lefties who howl that we're leaving the EU, in which a leading country HAS banned the burka.
Funny old world, innit..?
I didn't realise it was only right-wingers that wanted to ban the burqa. How do you know that?The same lefties who howl that we're leaving the EU, in which a leading country HAS banned the burka.
Funny old world, innit..?
Roman Rhodes said:
mybrainhurts said:
So, 79% of lefty poll responders want to keep the burka.
The same lefties who howl that we're leaving the EU, in which a leading country HAS banned the burka.
Funny old world, innit..?
I didn't realise it was only right-wingers that wanted to ban the burqa. How do you know that?The same lefties who howl that we're leaving the EU, in which a leading country HAS banned the burka.
Funny old world, innit..?
It was a joke.
HTH
Sorry to mess up your indignation.
SKP555 said:
I've never met this average Joe. Some people probably do think that. Some people probably have less well defined discomfort. Some people probably don't like Muslims and think banning veils is a good way to get at them.
Since you ask, I definitely do think they are a symbol of intolerance and subjugation of women. I don't think they should be banned in all circumstances but I do think they should be banned in schools, public buildings, airports and any private business that wishes to ban them. And I find the fact that some women choose (or "choose") to wear them very sad in theway I would find people wearing swastikas sad.
That's a very odd attempt to make a link between swastikas and burqas. You feel sad about people wearing swastikas? Offended or angry I could understand.Since you ask, I definitely do think they are a symbol of intolerance and subjugation of women. I don't think they should be banned in all circumstances but I do think they should be banned in schools, public buildings, airports and any private business that wishes to ban them. And I find the fact that some women choose (or "choose") to wear them very sad in theway I would find people wearing swastikas sad.
How would a "private business" ban them? Or do you just mean they should be allowed to not employ or provide services to people for discriminatory reasons?
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