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Derek Smith

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45,593 posts

248 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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So the dolt does something that did not surprise anyone. The only remarkable thing is that it has taken him this long.

Regardless of what one thinks of Saudi Arabia, Johnson undermined the government by mouthing off.

Still, the blame lies with May for awarding one of the great offices of state to someone whose skills set doesn't include considering what he will do or say.

Then there was that scatterbrain Truss who was made Lord Chancellor! When first tested, over the attacks on the appeal court, she failed miserably. Again, May is to blame for putting someone totally unsuited into the very complex and difficult role.

One hopes that May did a better job with Davies and Fox, but somehow I don't think she did.


grumbledoak

31,526 posts

233 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Are you channelling The Queen?

Thorodin

2,459 posts

133 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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When you consider the pool in which May she was fishing.... I give her more credit, her statements lately (if serious) are basically a condemnation of what went before in successive governments. Could be that she has finally got a job she can do, she has a talent for putting cats among pigeons. She certainly isn't fazed by pompous bombast from EU officials, to mention nothing of EU leaders.

One statement from yesterday (among others) lambasted the civil service:
"...there is a tendency in the system to try to interpret what they think you want, and to deliver that. Instead, it should be civil servants' duty to speak their mind. From the officials' point of view, what they owe to the Minister, and what the Minister expects, is the best possible advice. Don't try to tell me what you think I want to hear. I want your advice, I want the options. Then politicians can make the decisions". Quite refreshing I thought.

Edited by Thorodin on Thursday 8th December 21:15

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Boris in gaffe shocker...
Hilarious how the government say that the foreign secretary doesn't represent the governments view smile
Incompetents

loafer123

15,422 posts

215 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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You can almost see them playing out the rope as he grabs the noose...

Derek Smith

Original Poster:

45,593 posts

248 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Thorodin said:
When you consider the pool in which May she was fishing.... I give her more credit, her statements lately (if serious) are basically a condemnation of what went before in successive governments. Could be that she has finally got a job she can do, she has a talent for putting cats among pigeons. She certainly isn't fazed by pompous bombast from EU officials, to mention nothing of EU leaders.

One statement from yesterday (among others) lambasted the civil service:
"...there is a tendency in the system to try to interpret what they think you want, and to deliver that. Instead, it should be civil servants' duty to speak their mind. From the officials' point of view, what they owe to the Minister, and what the Minister expects, is the best possible advice. Don't try to tell me what you think I want to hear. I want your advice, I want the options. Then politicians can make the decisions". Quite refreshing I thought.

Edited by Thorodin on Thursday 8th December 21:15
I'm not sure she's actually done anything, apart from promoting people. Talk is cheap. I'd love to know the conditions that Nissan were awarded for staying here.

The choice of Truss, Johnson and Fox, now that's not what I'd call a win treble, was shocking. If, as you seem to suggest if I'm reading your post correctly, that's the best of those available then it paints a sorry picture of the tory party. But I don't think it is.

I've got little time for Gove but, after many failures, he seemed to be doing something positive in the role of Lord Chancellor. I accept he spoke more than did, but what he said was positive. I remember thinking that he'd found a square hole. Sack Gove, replace with Truss for the senior lawyering post. When one thinks of the predecessors in the post . . . words fail me. Hailsham, Straw, Clark, even Grayling, although he suffers in this list more than a little. But TRUSS!

What is also worrying is that we will need a foreign secretary who is respected and can be trusted. Subtlety is an essential, with more than a little deviousness. Cunning but with a global mind. I accept we haven't had too many of them of late, but Johnson is a buffoon.

Fox is part of a duo that is in charge of vital negotiations, ones which will set us on a course for some years to come. Let's not forget that Fox resigned as defence secretary for - let's be nice about it - a certain lack of judgement. Is that the CV of someone whose judgement might have major effects on the country as a whole?

If May is a shrewd and clever as some suggest, then this is some way of showing it.


tight fart

2,889 posts

273 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Whatever next, politicians saying what they believe, shocking.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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I have just read what the BBC is reporting on this subject and don't see an issue.

basherX

2,470 posts

161 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Boris Johnson or Emily Thornberry.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Willy Nilly said:
I have just read what the BBC is reporting on this subject and don't see an issue.
Foreign secretary makes statements about another country. Prime minister distances the government from the foreign secretary.

Bit unusual isn't it? Sounds a bit like Boris is a bit alone in the cold.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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El stovey said:
Willy Nilly said:
I have just read what the BBC is reporting on this subject and don't see an issue.
Foreign secretary makes statements about another country. Prime minister distances the government from the foreign secretary.

Bit unusual isn't it? Sounds a bit like Boris is a bit alone in the cold.
The government is being diplomatic, but they are all thinking what Boris said. People want politicians to tell the truth, then when they do they complain about it.

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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When Theresa May eventually fires him for being a liability, nobody is going to be looking for some kind of Brexit subtext any more, and I have a feeling that might have been the point of his appointment. With the Foreign Office effectively split into three it was a much less powerful role than it had been previously.

Dr Doofenshmirtz

15,213 posts

200 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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He's completely right of course. They're a truly evil nation.

MG CHRIS

9,081 posts

167 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Just watching the bbc now and what he said is true, funny thought we wanted our mps to speak there own mind, and tbh he was right. Saudi are a real issue in the middle east but people or media wont and don't see it.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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shhhhhhhhh they buy lots of "stuff" from us rolleyes

dandarez

13,273 posts

283 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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MG CHRIS said:
Just watching the bbc now and what he said is true, funny thought we wanted our mps to speak there own mind, and tbh he was right. Saudi are a real issue in the middle east but people or media wont and don't see it.
Or, unlike Boris, they are all simply too fearful to even utter anything like it. Too much money at stake from all the arms etc that we sell them.

It's that simple.
If we couldn't sell them anything, they'd be condemned on a daily basis.

Probably more than the condemnation that both Russia and Syria get together!

pim

2,344 posts

124 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Nice to hear a top politician to say what is really happening.

Boris is a populist in my opinion but he has gone up a notch or two.

johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
He's completely right of course. They're a truly evil nation.
But he didn't say that - nor did he single Saudi out - he referred to other countries fighting 'proxy wars' and wants them to show some stronger governance to bring the different strands of pixie worship together.

edh

3,498 posts

269 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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It's the response from no.10 that is pisspoor

Will ministers have to state whether they are speaking for themselves or for thd government every time they open their mouths?

stevep944

330 posts

218 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Boris is right.
He's a lot smarter than most people give him credit for.