Farage slags off UKippers. Low grade people...

[chrispmartha]

SKP555 said:

Isn't all political campaigning propaganda?

Project fear was just especially transparent and ineffective.

Well yes but some is more controversial than others

You really don't think the Farage poster is transparent?

[SKP555]

Yes it is, but I think it makes a valid point that was relevant to the campaign. There is large scale migration to Europe, much of it to Britain, it is stretching resources, and I believe we are much better placed to deal with this outside the European Union.

[Deptford Draylons]

The thing I like about the poster rage people, is that they were the exact same people telling me the Calais jungle would move to Dover in order to achieve the same thing they claim to be angry with Farage for.

[don4l]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I've no idea what your point is.

The poster was meant to be controversial.

It highlighted the fact that these were economic migrants, and they were not war refugees.

[Jazzy Jag]

SKP555 said:

Yes it is, but I think it makes a valid point that was relevant to the campaign. There is large scale migration to Europe, much of it to Britain, it is stretching resources, and I believe we are much better placed to deal with this outside the European Union.

Exactly

[WinstonWolf]

///ajd said:

WinstonWolf said:

Sorry, I'm a Tory

Without these threads your life is nothing. Move on it's a bit sad...

Not as sad as being a low grade kipper pretending to be a tory.

you're fking priceless slasher, don't bother with the faux smileys you know we all pity you these days.

So we know you are not a Tory or a UKIP voter (are you sure as you do seem to be a bit of a bottom feeder) so what is it, Corbyn or that other bloke no one can remember?

[Dindoit]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I don't think racists are the best judges of whether they are racist or not.

[brenflys777]

///ajd said:

I thought it reasonable obvious that my questions to "777 driver"? were for you as Brenflys777. I assumed you operate 777s, if that's not the case apologies.

You don't have to answer, but that is rather the point of a debate, isn't it?

A fair assumption, but incorrect, I used to operate triple sevens - I won't begin to guess at your inspiration for having a triple stroke in your username

///ajd said:

I see our 777 driver (?) stated both ditching the EU and controlling immigration as his motives for a UKIP vote. Given the tory party was also proposing a referendum, what was it about UKIP that attracted more than the tories? And how has immigration directly affected a 777 driver?

I wouldn't want to bore you with my reasons for not voting Conservative again in 2015, however with a new leader and successful implementation of the majority vote to leave the EU - I might vote for them in the future, but I'll vote based on their manifesto, their performance and circumstances at the time.

Your second point - how has immigration directly affected a 777 driver? - I'm not sure if you're making a point here about jobs or social issues but I'll try and answer. Immigration directly affected me allowing me to be born English whilst my sisters weren't, immigration has brought welcome diversity to the UK, helped our economy and done wonders for the food. (I travel globally and British restaurants are by far the best in the world in my experience)

Immigration is good, but like any good thing, quality is better than quantity - you can have too much of it. In the Midlands our infrastructure in terms of housing, school places, hospital capacity etc has not coped with such high levels of immigration in the last 20 years without problems and some of those issues have directly affected my life. I would like our Government to be able to do what every other attractive country outside the EU does and decide who can live and work in the country and limit the amount to a level where it is beneficial to the country as a collective rather than placing pressure on our infrastructure.

Farage has in my opinion helped the long term prospects of the UK remaining a tolerant welcoming country where immigration can remain positive by confronting an issue where other politicians formed a consensus and refused to discuss the negatives as well as positives of immigration. If Farage hadn't done this I think we were heading for a catastrophic breakdown between some of the general populations concerns and political expediency, where it was easier to dismiss valid concerns as racist, xenophobic or idiotic. Public support for immigration is likely to be stronger in the long term if the public feel their concerns have been debated and acted upon rather than ignored. IMO.

Edited by brenflys777 on Sunday 8th January 14:58

[jjlynn27]

MarshPhantom said:

Did we all know Nuttall is a proven liar? Doesn't seem to have done Farage too much harm.

PHD?



www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/04/ukip-lead...

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'.

Not sure why would he bother anyway, it seems that for most kippers being poorly educated is a badge of honor.

'professional footballer'

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'

[tommunster10]

It's pretty incredible that a poster on here, don4l, has said he became a signed up low grader, sorry member of UKIP, just to annoy and wind people up?!

Is that REALLY what politics has come to? That is surely one of the definitions of low grade...and troll.

It's these people that have created Nigel and Katie Hopkins... utter garbage and human stains.

[don4l]

jjlynn27 said:

MarshPhantom said:

Did we all know Nuttall is a proven liar? Doesn't seem to have done Farage too much harm.

PHD?



www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/04/ukip-lead...

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'.

Not sure why would he bother anyway, it seems that for most kippers being poorly educated is a badge of honor.

'professional footballer'

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'

Are there not more pressing issues than Paul Nuttall's education?

Surely, you should be more worried about the fact that Theresa May has a maximum of 82 days before she must trigger Article 50?

[rscott]

don4l said:

jjlynn27 said:

MarshPhantom said:

Did we all know Nuttall is a proven liar? Doesn't seem to have done Farage too much harm.

PHD?



www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/04/ukip-lead...

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'.

Not sure why would he bother anyway, it seems that for most kippers being poorly educated is a badge of honor.

'professional footballer'

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'

Are there not more pressing issues than Paul Nuttall's education?

Surely, you should be more worried about the fact that Theresa May has a maximum of 82 days before she must trigger Article 50?

So for the next 82 days we're not allowed to discuss anything else?

[brenflys777]

jjlynn27 said:

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'.

Not sure why would he bother anyway, it seems that for most kippers being poorly educated is a badge of honor.

'professional footballer'

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'

Nuttall is facing a difficult struggle to pull together a party, unite them with some common purpose and re-orient UKIP as the party of the working class and the North.

It may be an impossible challenge, but I think his best hope is if people like yourself keep patronising and insulting them. You could succeed where Doctor Nuttall fails.

[don4l]

rscott said:

don4l said:

jjlynn27 said:

MarshPhantom said:

Did we all know Nuttall is a proven liar? Doesn't seem to have done Farage too much harm.

PHD?



www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/04/ukip-lead...

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'.

Not sure why would he bother anyway, it seems that for most kippers being poorly educated is a badge of honor.

'professional footballer'

'Wasn't me, was my press officer'

Are there not more pressing issues than Paul Nuttall's education?

Surely, you should be more worried about the fact that Theresa May has a maximum of 82 days before she must trigger Article 50?

So for the next 82 days we're not allowed to discuss anything else?

Another strawman.

Where did I try to dictate the topic of discussion?

I'm just a bit surprised that Remoaners are worrying about Nuttall when A50 is going to be triggerred in less than 12 weeks.

Once Article 50 is triggered, there is no going back.

[B'stard Child]

brenflys777 said:

Immigration is good, but like any good thing, quality is better than quantity - you can have too much of it. In the Midlands our infrastructure in terms of housing, school places, hospital capacity etc has not coped with such high levels of immigration in the last 20 years without problems and some of those issues have directly affected my life. I would like our Government to be able to do what every other attractive country outside the EU does and decide who can live and work in the country and limit the amount to a level where it is beneficial to the country as a collective rather than placing pressure on our infrastructure.

Farage has in my opinion helped the long term prospects of the UK remaining a tolerant welcoming country where immigration can remain positive by confronting an issue where other politicians formed a consensus and refused to discuss the negatives as well as positives of immigration. If Farage hadn't done this I think we were heading for a catastrophic breakdown between some of the general populations concerns and political expediency, where it was easier to dismiss valid concerns as racist, xenophobic or idiotic. Public support for immigration is likely to be stronger in the long term if the public feel their concerns have been debated and acted upon rather than ignored. IMO

That sits very nicely alongside two more of my reasons to leave but they aren't on this iPad so opportunity missed as they say - you said them much better than my attempts to reconcile my thoughts without it being interpreted as racist or xenophobic. They weren't about immigration as such more about integration or rather the lack of it and the consequences to the U.K. if the situation continued.

Several posters have tried to convince me that there was a solution available within the environment of membership of the EU and a vote to leave wasn't needed, the issue I have with that is that it wasn't implemented - instead the good people of the U.K. were offered a binary choice.

The reset button has been pressed, the government has the opportunity to make the case for whatever route/path they chose to the people of this country. The EU has the opportunity to recognise that clearly something is not right with their grand social experiment but I think they see the issue as the UK's problem rather than one that affects all of the EU.

My belief is that the government will progress with the exit process and the EU will do what it can to make it awkward and painful so to discourage further exits probably as a result cutting off their nose to spite their face. In doing that I think the opposite effect will prevail.

[B'stard Child]

tommunster10 said:

It's pretty incredible that a poster on here, don4l, has said he became a signed up low grader, sorry member of UKIP, just to annoy and wind people up?!

Is that REALLY what politics has come to? That is surely one of the definitions of low grade...and troll.

It's these people that have created Nigel and Katie Hopkins... utter garbage and human stains.

Are you saying that Don4l is Nigel and Kate Hopkins father?

Blimey.........

It's all a bit Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker

[Sylvaforever]

tommunster10 said:

It's pretty incredible that a poster on here, don4l, has said he became a signed up low grader, sorry member of UKIP, just to annoy and wind people up?!

Is that REALLY what politics has come to? That is surely one of the definitions of low grade...and troll.

It's these people that have created Nigel and Katie Hopkins... utter garbage and human stains.

And what have YOU ever done for your country ?

[Sylvaforever]

B'stard Child said:

wc98 said:

i could well be wrong, but i strongly suspect a great many leave voters were in support of the concept of a european union initially and were quite happy with how things were going until about 15 years ago when those running the show seemed to have grand delusions of power , power that no one ever gave to them .

leads nicely to my reason to leave 31 & 32

The ‘European parliament’– it's not a Parliament in any true sense. It is not a legislature. The MEPs are not legislators. They do not offer manifestos. They do not implement the ideas they propose to electors. The ‘European elections’ change nothing. The Commission continues

Junkers said:

We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.

And the above quote is why I cannot fathom people who are so imbecilic NOT to understand the dangers..

[don4l]

B'stard Child said:

Are you saying that Don4l is Nigel and Kate Hopkins father?

Blimey.........

I like Kate almost as much as techiedave likes Diane.

[B'stard Child]

Sylvaforever said:

And the above quote is why I cannot fathom people who are so imbecilic NOT to understand the dangers..

Junkers Quotes formed 25 of my reasons, the more I looked into him the more I thought his methods and plans for the EU were really quite concerning.

It really is assimilation of 28 different member states and cultures into one. Hopefully it will continue with 27 or less

Edited to add Reason to leave 33 - The idea that all members of the union operate under the Single Market mechanism as EU members is flawed "one territory without any internal borders or other regulatory obstacles to the free movement of goods and services." It's meant to stimulate competition and trade, improve efficiency, and help cut prices and we are meant to operate as one. It works only if all countries are the same and work as a hive, like the Borg in "Star Trek." It's flawed and it has not worked at all.

Edited by B'stard Child on Sunday 8th January 23:40