The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

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ATG

20,485 posts

271 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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don4l said:
walm said:
I have posted endless figures before.
We aren't at or close to 99.8% capacity.

Check available school places.

Here's the NHS bed capacity analysis: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...
It's around 90% give or take.

So feel free to continue to make up numbers to support your viewpoint... but it just makes you look ignorant.
Don't you listen to the news or read the newspapers?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/14/he...

Who looks ignorant now?

The Independent said:
More than a dozen hospitals have reported that 100 per cent of their beds are in use, with one hospital in Essex remaining without a single free bed in any general or intensive care ward for 27 days in December.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hosp...
The trick is to understand what you're reading. You really ought to try it.

grantone

640 posts

172 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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ATG said:
don4l said:
walm said:
I have posted endless figures before.
We aren't at or close to 99.8% capacity.

Check available school places.

Here's the NHS bed capacity analysis: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...
It's around 90% give or take.

So feel free to continue to make up numbers to support your viewpoint... but it just makes you look ignorant.
Don't you listen to the news or read the newspapers?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/14/he...

Who looks ignorant now?

The Independent said:
More than a dozen hospitals have reported that 100 per cent of their beds are in use, with one hospital in Essex remaining without a single free bed in any general or intensive care ward for 27 days in December.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hosp...
The trick is to understand what you're reading. You really ought to try it.
Aren't walm & don4l both right? Average capacity use is around 90%, but peak capacity use is over 100%?

Given how important most NHS tasks are we should probably focus on the peaks not the average?

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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As I work for an Irish company, I do read the Irish papers to keep up to speed - even if it's nothing else but to make conversation when I visit.

Imagine my surprise when I read about the hospital crisis they're having, which sounds remarkably similar to the British one.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/trolley-cris...

If you scale it up from their 4.6 million population to our 64.1 million would be equivalent to more than 8000 people on trolleys every day, and based on the numbers I can find suggest something less than 2000 patients on trolleys per day here in the UK.

In Ireland, they're suggesting that it's down to simple mismanagement and a bad year for flu, and the minister for health is going to kick people in "the ass".

Interesting.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/16/t...


Apparently Theresa May will be announcing plans for our departure from the single market in a speech tomorrow.



Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 16th January 22:19

mccrackenj

2,041 posts

225 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/16/theresa...

Details in Telegraph, out of single market, out of customs union, no free movement, "no half in, half out"




Edited by mccrackenj on Monday 16th January 23:02

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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mccrackenj said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/16/theresa...

Details in Telegraph, out of single market, out of customs union, no free movement, "no half in, half out"




Edited by mccrackenj on Monday 16th January 23:02
Bloody Hell...
It is exactly like that £9 million Government leaflet that came through our door before we all voted...

Out of single market
Out of customs union
No free movement.
etc etc

I never saw that one coming......

Is that really is going to happen????

Jings, crivens and help me boab! oh... and a Cor Blimey for good measure.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Here we go, parity with the Euro after that speech.

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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vonuber said:
Here we go, parity with the Euro after that speech.
I'll be surprised if it drops that low - the situation approaching has been clear to see - it's not like it's going to be a huge surprise

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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B'stard Child said:
I'll be surprised if it drops that low - the situation approaching has been clear to see - it's not like it's going to be a huge surprise
I wouldn't bet against anything at all for 24-48hrs. Some people are going to have fun smile

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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grantone said:
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Given how important most NHS tasks are we should probably focus on the peaks not the average?
The challenge for those running the NHS is how often those peaks are hit.

Hospitals are not cheap pieces of infrastructure. If you focus on the peaks and then they are stood empty for much of the time, or running well below capacity, the amount of money being wasted would be staggering. Which would cause equal and opposite issues (not least of which being the budget deficit making Gordon Brown look like a spenthrift).

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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mccrackenj said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/16/theresa...

Details in Telegraph, out of single market, out of customs union, no free movement, "no half in, half out"




Edited by mccrackenj on Monday 16th January 23:02
Good common sense , the brave positive and businesslike way forward
clean brexit cloud9
Oh and just to put the icing on the cake that Mandelson is upset thumbupbeerbounceheheparty

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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vonuber said:
Here we go, parity with the Euro after that speech.
That'll be the hysteria at work. Once we escape, the true value of the pound versus euro will become clear. (i.e. I'm hoping for at least £1 to E2.)

stongle

5,910 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Guybrush said:
That'll be the hysteria at work. Once we escape, the true value of the pound versus euro will become clear. (i.e. I'm hoping for at least £1 to E2.)
Wtf?

You want to increase the structural deficit and make it cheaper to import from the Eurozone whilst destroying our export market? Or you just worried about a round of drinks in Malia?

Being able to devalue £ without resulting to rate intervention has been the best thing of Brexit thus far, the rest of cake and eat it is coming (hopefully).

Or are you advocating a bull run on acquisitions where UK plc go and buy up European firms (many being zombies in a struggling market?) at a knock down cost (think of latest FTSE performance in reverse).

Edited due to bloody iPhone by stongle on Tuesday 17th January 07:48


Edited by stongle on Tuesday 17th January 07:49

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Guybrush said:
That'll be the hysteria at work. Once we escape, the true value of the pound versus euro will become clear. (i.e. I'm hoping for at least £1 to E2.)
Are you German?

There is no way that sort of rate would be good for us.

stongle

5,910 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Murph7355 said:
Are you German?

There is no way that sort of rate would be good for us.
This is what happens when ultra-Brexit can't explain the post Brexit data (or an Alpha generating trade I'm yet to see...)

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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powerstroke said:
mccrackenj said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/16/theresa...

Details in Telegraph, out of single market, out of customs union, no free movement, "no half in, half out"




Edited by mccrackenj on Monday 16th January 23:02
Good common sense , the brave positive and businesslike way forward
clean brexit cloud9
Oh and just to put the icing on the cake that Mandelson is upset thumbupbeerbounceheheparty
if true I'm delighted.

mccrackenj

2,041 posts

225 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Troubleatmill said:
mccrackenj said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/16/theresa...

Details in Telegraph, out of single market, out of customs union, no free movement, "no half in, half out"




Edited by mccrackenj on Monday 16th January 23:02
Bloody Hell...
It is exactly like that £9 million Government leaflet that came through our door before we all voted...

Out of single market
Out of customs union
No free movement.
etc etc

I never saw that one coming......

Is that really is going to happen????

Jings, crivens and help me boab! oh... and a Cor Blimey for good measure.
I'll see your jings, crivens and raise you a woohoo



(Like the Broons and Our Willie reference BTW)

PositronicRay

26,957 posts

182 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Guybrush said:
vonuber said:
Here we go, parity with the Euro after that speech.
That'll be the hysteria at work. Once we escape, the true value of the pound versus euro will become clear. (i.e. I'm hoping for at least £1 to E2.)
Not sure if serious.

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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vonuber said:
Here we go, parity with the Euro after that speech.
FX virtually unchanged, GBP marginally up if anything.

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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B'stard Child said:
^ Because you think that the majority voted with immigration in mind - yes?
No. (Otherwise, good points!)
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