The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
Faceteous comments aside, the rhetoric coming from Trump; that the UK is "doing good" post referendum and he will do a trade deal with us, and the anti EU and Nato comments, including threats to "tax BMW" and "cut ties" with Merkel, you can see the ROW market suddenly looks less certain for Germany and that the UK's ties to the new POTUS shifts the balance of our influence significantly.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/stunning-...
(Don't knock the source, Zerohedge are merely quoting other publications and there's no paywall on ZH.)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/stunning-...
(Don't knock the source, Zerohedge are merely quoting other publications and there's no paywall on ZH.)
Must be something in the water at the BBC.
2 interesting interviews on the Today programme this morning who were both positive about Brexit. Possible future US Ambassador sayingthat the Trump administration might well offer bilateral deals to other leavers, and the (I think?) CEO of Sage Accounting Software saying they remain positive about their market, which is mostly small and medium sized businesses and optimistic about tax cuts and deregulation.
Welcome change from "we're all doooooomed!"
2 interesting interviews on the Today programme this morning who were both positive about Brexit. Possible future US Ambassador sayingthat the Trump administration might well offer bilateral deals to other leavers, and the (I think?) CEO of Sage Accounting Software saying they remain positive about their market, which is mostly small and medium sized businesses and optimistic about tax cuts and deregulation.
Welcome change from "we're all doooooomed!"
AW111 said:
Looked at clinically, a failed EU is probably in the US's interest.
They can squeeze better deals out of 27 individual nations than a united bloc. Diplomatically too, a bunch of small nations are easier to influence.
Most nations outside the self-lauded 27 (currently 28) will probably feel the same. They can squeeze better deals out of 27 individual nations than a united bloc. Diplomatically too, a bunch of small nations are easier to influence.
Given the choice, would you rather be able to deal with the specific nations you have direct business with, or have any detail potentially compromised by those who are incidental to your deal?
AW111 said:
Looked at clinically, a failed EU is probably in the US's interest.
They can squeeze better deals out of 27 individual nations than a united bloc. Diplomatically too, a bunch of small nations are easier to influence.
Totally. Also, if they feel their best interests in Europe are served with and through the UK (which I personally feel, even the Obama administration, if not Obama himself do), it also follows they'll pull the levers to make Brexit work to the UK's advantage.They can squeeze better deals out of 27 individual nations than a united bloc. Diplomatically too, a bunch of small nations are easier to influence.
powerstroke said:
Mrr T said:
So PH poster makes up statistics to justify his view. You have to laugh.
I love the way our PH leftys and remongs just lash out these days ,not even a counter argument Oh bless !!! As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
AW111 said:
Looked at clinically, a failed EU is probably in the US's interest.
They can squeeze better deals out of 27 individual nations than a united bloc. Diplomatically too, a bunch of small nations are easier to influence.
of course they do. what is the problem with this ? a great deal of the issues today have been caused by people losing sight of the absolute fact that the main duty of every single government of every single country on the planet is to look after the interests of the people that elect them,end of story. the sooner politicians and it would appear a large percentage of the populace of the developed world understand and accept this the better for all.They can squeeze better deals out of 27 individual nations than a united bloc. Diplomatically too, a bunch of small nations are easier to influence.
Mrr T said:
powerstroke said:
Mrr T said:
So PH poster makes up statistics to justify his view. You have to laugh.
I love the way our PH leftys and remongs just lash out these days ,not even a counter argument Oh bless !!! As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
Mrr T said:
I love the fact that you think calling someone left wing is an insult. It might be to me since I am certainly not left wing.
As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
Except those parts of the health service offering maternity and paediatric services, both under enormous pressure. As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
richie99 said:
Mrr T said:
I love the fact that you think calling someone left wing is an insult. It might be to me since I am certainly not left wing.
As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
Except those parts of the health service offering maternity and paediatric services, both under enormous pressure. As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
B'stard Child said:
Mrr T said:
powerstroke said:
Mrr T said:
So PH poster makes up statistics to justify his view. You have to laugh.
I love the way our PH leftys and remongs just lash out these days ,not even a counter argument Oh bless !!! As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
These are facts that support my arguement.
Mrr T said:
B'stard Child said:
Mrr T said:
powerstroke said:
Mrr T said:
So PH poster makes up statistics to justify his view. You have to laugh.
I love the way our PH leftys and remongs just lash out these days ,not even a counter argument Oh bless !!! As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
These are facts that support my arguement.
From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
B'stard Child said:
richie99 said:
Mrr T said:
I love the fact that you think calling someone left wing is an insult. It might be to me since I am certainly not left wing.
As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
Except those parts of the health service offering maternity and paediatric services, both under enormous pressure. As for a counter argument. EU immigrants are on average better educated and younger that the UK population average. So it’s likely they will be paid better than the UK average, it’s also likely they will make less demands on the UK health service. So these are arguments which support the facts.
Mrr T said:
The fact is most EU immigrants are single when they arrive. The facts are they are younger than the UK average age. Guess what they then meet other young people and get married and have children. If you look at parents’ country of birth. Polish men and ladies are now the second most common country of birth. Considering UK birth rate is well below replacement level this is great news.
That does go completely against your income, employment and net cost to the state assertions.Best stick to the facts, not your interpretation of the data.
B'stard Child said:
Points that support my argument - I'd agree with that - if really good data was avaliable we'd all have the facts - problem is that due to the "uncontrolled nature of the migration from within the EU good "Facts" are rather difficult to obtain
From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
The one fact that makes all the hogwash about how pregnant Poles are destroying the NHS obviously BS is that net migration is 0.3% per annum.From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
It's a rounding error.
The problems people highlight - stretched A&E, maternity, busy roads, school place competition etc... would all be almost EXACTLY as dire as they are now WITHOUT those pesky migrants.
The problem is a decade of austerity, budget cuts and a lack of growth.
There might very well be downsides to uncontrolled migration from the EU, but the symptoms cited are often absolutely nothing to do with them.
B'stard Child said:
Points that support my argument - I'd agree with that - if really good data was avaliable we'd all have the facts - problem is that due to the "uncontrolled nature of the migration from within the EU good "Facts" are rather difficult to obtain
From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
“all good” I would never say that. I would say mainly good.From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
I am also happy to accept you have a perfect right to disagree.
What annoys me is posters who start a discussion on EU immigrants with the words “uneducated” and “minimum wage”.
walm said:
B'stard Child said:
Points that support my argument - I'd agree with that - if really good data was avaliable we'd all have the facts - problem is that due to the "uncontrolled nature of the migration from within the EU good "Facts" are rather difficult to obtain
From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
The one fact that makes all the hogwash about how pregnant Poles are destroying the NHS obviously BS is that net migration is 0.3% per annum.From your perspective you've seen no downside to uncontrolled migration so you believe it to be all good
Other perspectives are avaliable......
It's a rounding error.
The problems people highlight - stretched A&E, maternity, busy roads, school place competition etc... would all be almost EXACTLY as dire as they are now WITHOUT those pesky migrants.
The problem is a decade of austerity, budget cuts and a lack of growth.
There might very well be downsides to uncontrolled migration from the EU, but the symptoms cited are often absolutely nothing to do with them.
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