The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

[don4l]

dandarez said:

We just did a part of our week's shopping in Waitrose this morning. We did it as 2 sep shops so I could pick up the Telegraph free and I said to my wife grab the Times but they'd all gone so she got the Grauniad free (it's £2.90!)

Bloody hell, if you have the Graun daily - inc the Observe(r) nowt on Sunday - that's almost a grand a year. No bloody wonder they are dangling on the edge of extinction. And these dicks who buy and read it complain about the cost of things. Utterly laughable!

My God!

I guess that the only people who can afford it are BBC employees who can claim the cost on expenses.

[AC43]

don4l said:

dandarez said:

We just did a part of our week's shopping in Waitrose this morning. We did it as 2 sep shops so I could pick up the Telegraph free and I said to my wife grab the Times but they'd all gone so she got the Grauniad free (it's £2.90!)

Bloody hell, if you have the Graun daily - inc the Observe(r) nowt on Sunday - that's almost a grand a year. No bloody wonder they are dangling on the edge of extinction. And these dicks who buy and read it complain about the cost of things. Utterly laughable!

My God!

I guess that the only people who can afford it are BBC employees who can claim the cost on expenses.

Well here's the Telegraph chipping in. Not a "pinko" in sight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/21/theresa...

[voyds9]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/uks-zenos-cars-...

Brexit causality?

[Jazzy Jag]

voyds9 said:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/uks-zenos-cars-...

Brexit causality?

more likely to be a casualty of trying to meet EU type approval rules and emissions standards.

How many small car start-ups have failed before Brexit?

[KrissKross]

Trillion brings bicycle production back to the West Midlands

https://www.linkedin.com/groups/1783816/1783816-62...

[Trabi601]

Jazzy Jag said:

more likely to be a casualty of trying to meet EU type approval rules and emissions standards.

You mean the rules we'll most likely continue to implement in the UK as it makes very little sense to be out of step with your biggest import / export partners in the sector?

[s2art]

Trabi601 said:

Jazzy Jag said:

more likely to be a casualty of trying to meet EU type approval rules and emissions standards.

You mean the rules we'll most likely continue to implement in the UK as it makes very little sense to be out of step with your biggest import / export partners in the sector?

We implement them for export markets wherever they are and decide if we want them different in the UK. Just like Japan does.

[Jazzy Jag]

Trabi601 said:

Jazzy Jag said:

more likely to be a casualty of trying to meet EU type approval rules and emissions standards.

You mean the rules we'll most likely continue to implement in the UK as it makes very little sense to be out of step with your biggest import / export partners in the sector?

Which means they would have gone bust anyway and it has sod all to do with brexit.

[Trabi601]

s2art said:

We implement them for export markets wherever they are and decide if we want them different in the UK. Just like Japan does.

There's very little crossover between JDM and EU vehicles these days - and I believe the Japanese actually have much tougher emissions standards (they banned diesels from city centres many, many years ago, for example) - so be very careful what you wish for. Especially as we have form for taking EU standards and making them even more difficult to attain.

I can pretty much guarantee that UK emissions standards will remain aligned with the EU. If only because we don't actually have any British owned mass motor manufacturing anymore - everything is either EU or Japanese owned (the latter producing EU tailored models).

[alfie2244]

KrissKross said:

Trillion brings bicycle production back to the West Midlands

https://www.linkedin.com/groups/1783816/1783816-62...

This?

http://www.bqlive.co.uk/2017/01/18/trillion-brings...

[powerstroke]

Trabi601 said:

There's very little crossover between JDM and EU vehicles these days - and I believe the Japanese actually have much tougher emissions standards (they banned diesels from city centres many, many years ago, for example) - so be very careful what you wish for. Especially as we have form for taking EU standards and making them even more difficult to attain.

I can pretty much guarantee that UK emissions standards will remain aligned with the EU. If only because we don't actually have any British owned mass motor manufacturing anymore - everything is either EU or Japanese owned (the latter producing EU tailored models).

Indian and american owned also !!!

[Trabi601]

powerstroke said:

Indian and american owned also !!!

Good point. I somehow always forget JLR.

Who is the American owned company, though? - I'm struggling here!

[skahigh]

Jazzy Jag said:

Trabi601 said:

Jazzy Jag said:

more likely to be a casualty of trying to meet EU type approval rules and emissions standards.

You mean the rules we'll most likely continue to implement in the UK as it makes very little sense to be out of step with your biggest import / export partners in the sector?

Which means they would have gone bust anyway and it has sod all to do with brexit.

The article states cancelled exports as primary cause.

Given that their exports would now be cheaper for foreign buyers I'm pretty sure we can say this has nothing to do with brexit.

[anonymous-user]

Trabi601 said:

There's very little crossover between JDM and EU vehicles these days - and I believe the Japanese actually have much tougher emissions standards (they banned diesels from city centres many, many years ago, for example) - so be very careful what you wish for. Especially as we have form for taking EU standards and making them even more difficult to attain.

I can pretty much guarantee that UK emissions standards will remain aligned with the EU. If only because we don't actually have any British owned mass motor manufacturing anymore - everything is either EU or Japanese owned (the latter producing EU tailored models).

JDM and EU cars are very similar, they share the majority of the platform.

The petrol emissions are slightly different, but still capable of being met using the same basic hardware.

I've been driving JDM spec cars since the 90's, performance and spec has always been higher on the JDM models, EU spec has been getting closer over this period.

[gweaver]

Trabi601 said:

Who is the American owned company, though? - I'm struggling here!

You've probably blocked their product out of your mind, but General Motors make a lot of Astras at Ellesmere Port. It's a very competitive factory, partly because of efficiency, partly quality, and partly because the workforce are less bolshy than some GM factories on the continent.

Ford also make various drivetrain bits in the UK, I think mostly at Bridgend.

[powerstroke]

Trabi601 said:

Good point. I somehow always forget JLR.

Who is the American owned company, though? - I'm struggling here!

Ford and GM Vauxhall

[Trabi601]

gweaver said:

Trabi601 said:

Who is the American owned company, though? - I'm struggling here!

You've probably blocked their product out of your mind, but General Motors make a lot of Astras at Ellesmere Port. It's a very competitive factory, partly because of efficiency, partly quality, and partly because the workforce are less bolshy than some GM factories on the continent.

Ford also make various drivetrain bits in the UK, I think mostly at Bridgend.

Good point! - I always associate Vauxhall with Opel and not as an American business, as the EU / UK production most often is specific to our side of the pond... same with Ford, Ford Europe have traditionally ploughed their own path with models - although I appreciate they get closer to having 'world cars' these days.

[anonymous-user]

This could be an interesting development.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/lloyds-london-lea...

I can't find the original interview so not sure how much spin there is.

[SKP555]

desolate said:

This could be an interesting development.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/lloyds-london-lea...

I can't find the original interview so not sure how much spin there is.

Already a fairly different spin on it from the (hardly rabidly Brexit) Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/br...

[don4l]

desolate said:

This could be an interesting development.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/lloyds-london-lea...

I can't find the original interview so not sure how much spin there is.

A couple of seconds on Google would reveal that the story is almost complete "spin".

Lloyds are likely to open a subsidary in the EU as a precaution.