The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

[Trabi601]

PRTVR said:

That's one view point, personally I think all this talk of tariffs is more to do with low wage countries and big business greed at the cost of America workers, the UK does fall into that category, who is going to be the first foreign leader to meet him, not Canada but the UK, significant? I think so.

Significant as we're going to need to negotiate a new deal as our EU deal will no longer apply.

So, he makes May feel like he's resurrected the 'special relationship' nonsense, in order to leverage a better deal for him. Make no mistake, he won't be doing it for the good of the USA, he'll be doing it for the good of his business and that of those other corporate / ex-corporate heads he's appointed into roles in his new administration.

[PRTVR]

Trabi601 said:

PRTVR said:

That's one view point, personally I think all this talk of tariffs is more to do with low wage countries and big business greed at the cost of America workers, the UK does fall into that category, who is going to be the first foreign leader to meet him, not Canada but the UK, significant? I think so.

Significant as we're going to need to negotiate a new deal as our EU deal will no longer apply.

So, he makes May feel like he's resurrected the 'special relationship' nonsense, in order to leverage a better deal for him. Make no mistake, he won't be doing it for the good of the USA, he'll be doing it for the good of his business and that of those other corporate / ex-corporate heads he's appointed into roles in his new administration.

The EU deal will not be there in a few years time, the EU will most probably not exist,let's see how the French elections go,the world is changing, some people choose to ignore it, but it will not stop it.

[Trabi601]

PRTVR said:

The EU deal will not be there in a few years time, the EU will most probably not exist,let's see how the French elections go,the world is changing, some people choose to ignore it, but it will not stop it.

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

[davepoth]

Trabi601 said:

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

"Don't tell him your name Trabi601!" Etc.

[anonymous-user]

Trabi601 said:

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

As long as we don't go back to chicory coffee we will be OK!

[B'stard Child]

jsf said:

Trabi601 said:

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

As long as we don't go back to chicory coffee we will be OK!

I liked camp coffee........

[alfie2244]

jsf said:

As long as we don't go back to chicory coffee we will be OK!

[ecurie]

jsf said:

That not what he has said.

What he said was if a USA company shuts down its operation and moves the jobs to Mexico, they will be hit with punitive taxes on import. His position is you cant build a business on the backs of American knowledge, to then kill those jobs for a higher profit margin by producing in a cheap labour market.

I didn't know Toyota was a USA company and he bullied them too.
And on GM he got his facts wrong again, as usual : GM wanted to move its factory from Canada to Mexico.

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

jsf said:

Trabi601 said:

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

As long as we don't go back to chicory coffee we will be OK!

I liked camp coffee........

You are a sick individual.

[PRTVR]

Trabi601 said:

PRTVR said:

The EU deal will not be there in a few years time, the EU will most probably not exist,let's see how the French elections go,the world is changing, some people choose to ignore it, but it will not stop it.

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

I am also would not qualify for conscription,due to age, but honestly do not envisaged another war, who would it be with ? The talk of the US having problems with NATO is basically down to cost, understandably in my opinion America is running a massive deficit in part to defend the free world, is it wrong to expect others to shoulder some of the cost, having said that a militarized Germany is not a good though.

[Trabi601]

PRTVR said:

I am also would not qualify for conscription,due to age, but honestly do not envisaged another war, who would it be with ? The talk of the US having problems with NATO is basically down to cost, understandably in my opinion America is running a massive deficit in part to defend the free world, is it wrong to expect others to shoulder some of the cost, having said that a militarized Germany is not a good though.

I'm of the opinion that the EU project has produced a prolonged period of peace and harmony amongst previously war mongering nations.

Obviously, we can't say it will happen - but I do wonder what may happen if the EU does break down.

[PRTVR]

Trabi601 said:

PRTVR said:

I am also would not qualify for conscription,due to age, but honestly do not envisaged another war, who would it be with ? The talk of the US having problems with NATO is basically down to cost, understandably in my opinion America is running a massive deficit in part to defend the free world, is it wrong to expect others to shoulder some of the cost, having said that a militarized Germany is not a good though.

I'm of the opinion that the EU project has produced a prolonged period of peace and harmony amongst previously war mongering nations.

Obviously, we can't say it will happen - but I do wonder what may happen if the EU does break down.

I have a different view, NATO maintained the peace, with a large American force sitting on the continent, them we had a common enemy to focus on Russia, then we have both the UK and France with Nuclear weapons , it's a very different world in which we exist now than in the past, my big fear is the lack of military spending, history has shown wars come from perceived weakness, no point in going to war if you think you will fail.

[B'stard Child]

jsf said:

B'stard Child said:

jsf said:

Trabi601 said:

Sadly, I think you're right.

On the positive side, I'm verging on being too old, and due to my heart condition, I probably won't qualify for conscription anyway. I'll get on with watching re-runs of Dad's Army instead, just to prepare me for the inevitable.

As long as we don't go back to chicory coffee we will be OK!

I liked camp coffee........

You are a sick individual.

It was all my grandparents had - it took a bit of getting used too but once you did well it was a slippery slope

[alfie2244]

B'stard Child said:

It was all my grandparents had - it took a bit of getting used too but once you did well it was a slippery slope

Nan made ours with evaporated or sterilised milk.

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

B'stard Child said:

It was all my grandparents had - it took a bit of getting used too but once you did well it was a slippery slope

Nan made ours with evaporated or sterilised milk.

Camp and Carnation

[Murph7355]

PRTVR said:

I have a different view, NATO maintained the peace, with a large American force sitting on the continent, them we had a common enemy to focus on Russia, then we have both the UK and France with Nuclear weapons , it's a very different world in which we exist now than in the past...

Totally agree. The EU had little/nothing to do with it. The EU as it now exists hasn't even been around that long, so how on earth can it be allocated the tag of Europe saviour?!

(Ref spending...not so sure. As you note, the world's a very different place now, with different weaponry. "Traditional" enemies all know this so I can't imagine they'd kick off in any material sense. And traditional military spending/prowess is ineffective against the latest breed of crackpots).

[AC43]

B'stard Child said:

one has to wonder what kind of utter retard would go against the weight of opinion that said it would be "bad" to leave.

- people who don't live in London
- people who don't actually experience much immigration
- people who don't work in FS
- people who don't work in the service sector
- people who have never worked overseas
- people in Stoke

Other categories are available.

[turbobloke]

Burwood said:

That may be true, but what better way to hasten the EU breakup than to show the UK prospering outside, on their own. This country will indeed prosper. I have every confidence. The EU is a parasite and will fail imo

Now, post-referendum and then, post-Brexit, whatever evolution the EU is destined to follow, it'll speed up a bit. Piece-by-piece dismantling looks more likely now.

Agreed regarding confidence in the UK's economic future. Those talking the UK down included some big political hitters (the Chancellor for one, ffs) and they're already looking foolish. No; more foolish.

[FiF]

AC43 said:

B'stard Child said:

one has to wonder what kind of utter retard would go against the weight of opinion that said it would be "bad" to leave.

- people who don't live in London
- people who don't actually experience much immigration
- people who don't work in FS
- people who don't work in the service sector
- people who have never worked overseas
- people in Stoke

Other categories are available.

So just to get that clear, is that 5 categories of people that you're calling retards? I've discounted the 6th as iirc Stoke is outside London, so that was a redundant category, unless you're calling the residents of Stoke, double retards, or perhaps there was an invisible smiley and a brightly coloured creature of the order Psittaciformes is winging its way along whoosh alley in my direction.

[B'stard Child]

FiF said:

AC43 said:

B'stard Child said:

one has to wonder what kind of utter retard would go against the weight of opinion that said it would be "bad" to leave.

- people who don't live in London
- people who don't actually experience much immigration
- people who don't work in FS
- people who don't work in the service sector
- people who have never worked overseas
- people in Stoke

Other categories are available.

So just to get that clear, is that 5 categories of people that you're calling retards? I've discounted the 6th as iirc Stoke is outside London, so that was a redundant category, unless you're calling the residents of Stoke, double retards, or perhaps there was an invisible smiley and a brightly coloured creature of the order Psittaciformes is winging its way along whoosh alley in my direction.

Pick a colour any colour