The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
sidicks said:
Tryke3 said:
Its ok, cant wait till a business would need to pay the vat in advance while at it, have a team of people employed juat to get the paperwork ready. All our lives we have been missing out in trading with Zimbabwe 
Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
What utter nonsense!Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
Australian negotiators arrive to begin post-Brexit trade talks (08 Oct 2016)
New Zealand wants post-Brexit free trade deal 'ASAP' (13 Jan 2017)
Foreign secretary in India to discusses trade after Brexit (18 Jan 2017)
Canada first in line for post-Brexit trade deal with Britain (15 Feb 2017)
Then Trump pops Obama's pathetic posturing bubble with his 'front of the queue' statement, meets Theresa May first, and offers a frosty reception to Frau Merkel bringing up the also-rans at the new back of the queue.
Tryke3 said:
Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
Can't stand the programme.I actually physically work with Australians, Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, Americans and a bunch of EU citizens. My family has worked for extended periods in China, Australia, Spain, India, and business trips to Mexico, Canada and Eastern Bloc countries. Colleagues have extended business trips to Kurdistan, Romania and Africa.
Strangely, we all get on.
Perhaps if you believe in the Downton Abbey self-image of the UK, that we're all little colonials who should self-flagellate because our distant ancestors were a-holes, then yes, you can self-harm all you like.
Out in the real world, going out and meeting people with a smile seems to be good for business, and friendships around the globe.
Deptford Draylons said:
I don't feel Farron is a credible leader, which is a shame as there is a huge vacuum for one both in the LD and Labour camps - or indeed any opposition."George Osbourne accuses May of putting immigration ahead of the economy. George Osbourne is where the left starts now."
He has got a point about the left being completely ineffectual opposition. It is a big problem for the country - for everyone.
Tryke3 said:
Its ok, cant wait till a business would need to pay the vat in advance while at it.
Just to bring you up on this. If you sell to the EU, the VAT rules at the moment are byzantine and extremely painful to enact particularly for digital goods and services. It is easier by a huge margin to sell to almost any other nation in the world, despite the fact that we are 'part of the EU'. Reporting VAT to the EU for some businesses is one of the last areas to still be almost completely manual, because the complexities and special cases make writing generalised software to do the job almost impossible.It sounds like you have no experience of this at all though?
turbobloke said:
sidicks said:
Tryke3 said:
Its ok, cant wait till a business would need to pay the vat in advance while at it, have a team of people employed juat to get the paperwork ready. All our lives we have been missing out in trading with Zimbabwe
Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
What utter nonsense!Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
Australian negotiators arrive to begin post-Brexit trade talks (08 Oct 2016)
New Zealand wants post-Brexit free trade deal 'ASAP' (13 Jan 2017)
Foreign secretary in India to discusses trade after Brexit (18 Jan 2017)
Canada first in line for post-Brexit trade deal with Britain (15 Feb 2017)
Then Trump pops Obama's pathetic posturing bubble with his 'front of the queue' statement, meets Theresa May first, and offers a frosty reception to Frau Merkel bringing up the also-rans at the new back of the queue.
Donald trump accused us of spying on him before accusing the russians. Just saying
jsf said:
I don't fear a WTO regime, it would be better if there is a sensible TA, but WTO is perfectly acceptable if a deal cant be reached.
I don't think it will come to that because the EU simply cant afford to lose the specialist services the UK offers them and they cant afford to force the UK people to change our mind set and buy more from cheaper none EU countries as our first thoughts on a purchase.
If we do end up under WTO, what's the point in keeping our relatively blinkered mind set of buying from Europe, we would be better off to buy from the rest of world. The EU needs to do a good PR job on us. When we leave the EU we can lower our tariff rates under WTO. The EU are going to have to work harder then to sell to us because we wont have the current EU tariff rates that artificially protect EU goods and services.
The world is a very different place to the one it was 45 years ago. Transport costs are cheap from rest of the world, communication speed is beyond the imagination of 70's man. We genuinely are a global world now, for example I can discuss something with a colleague in New Zealand within seconds and it costs me not a single penny to do that.
Just out of interest who would change their buying choices if the EU behaved like a set of a-holes in thus negotiation.I don't think it will come to that because the EU simply cant afford to lose the specialist services the UK offers them and they cant afford to force the UK people to change our mind set and buy more from cheaper none EU countries as our first thoughts on a purchase.
If we do end up under WTO, what's the point in keeping our relatively blinkered mind set of buying from Europe, we would be better off to buy from the rest of world. The EU needs to do a good PR job on us. When we leave the EU we can lower our tariff rates under WTO. The EU are going to have to work harder then to sell to us because we wont have the current EU tariff rates that artificially protect EU goods and services.
The world is a very different place to the one it was 45 years ago. Transport costs are cheap from rest of the world, communication speed is beyond the imagination of 70's man. We genuinely are a global world now, for example I can discuss something with a colleague in New Zealand within seconds and it costs me not a single penny to do that.
As a family we try and buy British, not always possible. If the EU really set out on a punishment approach, the buy British would stay, but after that, anywhere but the EU as next choice. Anyone else? Petty, yes, childish, yes. Stuff 'em.
Tryke3 said:
turbobloke said:
sidicks said:
Tryke3 said:
Its ok, cant wait till a business would need to pay the vat in advance while at it, have a team of people employed juat to get the paperwork ready. All our lives we have been missing out in trading with Zimbabwe
Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
What utter nonsense!Just because you watch downtown abbey it doesnt really mean that what is depicted is true. Most of the rest of the world actually hate our guts, including aus nz india etc etc
Australian negotiators arrive to begin post-Brexit trade talks (08 Oct 2016)
New Zealand wants post-Brexit free trade deal 'ASAP' (13 Jan 2017)
Foreign secretary in India to discusses trade after Brexit (18 Jan 2017)
Canada first in line for post-Brexit trade deal with Britain (15 Feb 2017)
Then Trump pops Obama's pathetic posturing bubble with his 'front of the queue' statement, meets Theresa May first, and offers a frosty reception to Frau Merkel bringing up the also-rans at the new back of the queue.
don'tbesilly said:
The evidence for such an assertion is where exactly, you can of course back up what you state?
He follows the statement with a view on where the US are. You can deduce from Trump statements that his view on trade deals will be what is best for the US; this could well be at the detriment of Nations who may be desperate to do any deal. This could certainly apply to the UK given what we face.
The evidence is a logical deduction which rings true. What is your evidence that all will be fine, the list of Nations are queuing up to give us all we want on a plate and more? You think a few meetings is convincing? Salmond had plenty of meetings, but where was his evidence that the UK would let an indie Scotland use the pound? Its just wishful thinking.
///ajd said:
He follows the statement with a view on where the US are.
You can deduce from Trump statements that his view on trade deals will be what is best for the US; this could well be at the detriment of Nations who may be desperate to do any deal. This could certainly apply to the UK given what we face.
The evidence is a logical deduction which rings true. What is your evidence that all will be fine, the list of Nations are queuing up to give us all we want on a plate and more? You think a few meetings is convincing? Salmond had plenty of meetings, but where was his evidence that the UK would let an indie Scotland use the pound? Its just wishful thinking.
No-one has claimed any such thing. HTH.You can deduce from Trump statements that his view on trade deals will be what is best for the US; this could well be at the detriment of Nations who may be desperate to do any deal. This could certainly apply to the UK given what we face.
The evidence is a logical deduction which rings true. What is your evidence that all will be fine, the list of Nations are queuing up to give us all we want on a plate and more? You think a few meetings is convincing? Salmond had plenty of meetings, but where was his evidence that the UK would let an indie Scotland use the pound? Its just wishful thinking.
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
The evidence for such an assertion is where exactly, you can of course back up what you state?
He follows the statement with a view on where the US are. You can deduce from Trump statements that his view on trade deals will be what is best for the US; this could well be at the detriment of Nations who may be desperate to do any deal. This could certainly apply to the UK given what we face.
The evidence is a logical deduction which rings true. What is your evidence that all will be fine, the list of Nations are queuing up to give us all we want on a plate and more? You think a few meetings is convincing? Salmond had plenty of meetings, but where was his evidence that the UK would let an indie Scotland use the pound? Its just wishful thinking.
It's Tryke claiming that all the countries listed:
Australia/New Zealand/Canada and India won't give the UK a good deal, and are desperate to get one over on the UK, as quoted below:
Tryke3 said:
That would be trade deal where we would not have a good deal, they cant wait to get one over us.
The question wasn't posed to you, but apart from your "logical (biased) deduction which rings true (according to you)", perhaps you can provide some evidence apart from your own very biased opinion that what Tyrke states is true.You've taken up the cause, prove the case that:
1. The countries mentioned won't agree a good deal.
2. The countries mentioned can't wait to get one over the UK.
Tuna said:
Tryke3 said:
Its ok, cant wait till a business would need to pay the vat in advance while at it.
It sounds like you have no experience of this at all though?FiF said:
jsf said:
I don't fear a WTO regime, it would be better if there is a sensible TA, but WTO is perfectly acceptable if a deal cant be reached.
I don't think it will come to that because the EU simply cant afford to lose the specialist services the UK offers them and they cant afford to force the UK people to change our mind set and buy more from cheaper none EU countries as our first thoughts on a purchase.
If we do end up under WTO, what's the point in keeping our relatively blinkered mind set of buying from Europe, we would be better off to buy from the rest of world. The EU needs to do a good PR job on us. When we leave the EU we can lower our tariff rates under WTO. The EU are going to have to work harder then to sell to us because we wont have the current EU tariff rates that artificially protect EU goods and services.
The world is a very different place to the one it was 45 years ago. Transport costs are cheap from rest of the world, communication speed is beyond the imagination of 70's man. We genuinely are a global world now, for example I can discuss something with a colleague in New Zealand within seconds and it costs me not a single penny to do that.
Just out of interest who would change their buying choices if the EU behaved like a set of a-holes in thus negotiation.I don't think it will come to that because the EU simply cant afford to lose the specialist services the UK offers them and they cant afford to force the UK people to change our mind set and buy more from cheaper none EU countries as our first thoughts on a purchase.
If we do end up under WTO, what's the point in keeping our relatively blinkered mind set of buying from Europe, we would be better off to buy from the rest of world. The EU needs to do a good PR job on us. When we leave the EU we can lower our tariff rates under WTO. The EU are going to have to work harder then to sell to us because we wont have the current EU tariff rates that artificially protect EU goods and services.
The world is a very different place to the one it was 45 years ago. Transport costs are cheap from rest of the world, communication speed is beyond the imagination of 70's man. We genuinely are a global world now, for example I can discuss something with a colleague in New Zealand within seconds and it costs me not a single penny to do that.
As a family we try and buy British, not always possible. If the EU really set out on a punishment approach, the buy British would stay, but after that, anywhere but the EU as next choice. Anyone else? Petty, yes, childish, yes. Stuff 'em.
Burwood said:
Of course he doesn't. Just like AJD and MrTT. They seek out news/articles that reinforce their belief and post them to a thread without contact or any actual thought.
Unfortunately Tryke has got diverted from the Scottish Independence thread. Happily his childish views posted there can now be enjoyed by the readers of this thread.Borghetto said:
Burwood said:
Of course he doesn't. Just like AJD and MrTT. They seek out news/articles that reinforce their belief and post them to a thread without contact or any actual thought.
Unfortunately Tryke has got diverted from the Scottish Independence thread. Happily his childish views posted there can now be enjoyed by the readers of this thread.///ajd said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Makes you wonder what the WTO is actually for if trying to trade on their terms is so hopeless. What on earth did we do before joining the EU and when even WTO didn't exist?
Makes you wonder why nations spend 7 years+ negotiating trade deals that are better than WTO? Perhaps they do it to boost their economic interests? Who knew? Presumably Nations do this just for s
ts and giggles in your simple world.Presumably you think the WTO was set up for s
ts and giggles.
And of course most of those non EU exports are under WTO.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Sunday 19th March 15:39
FiF said:
jsf said:
I don't fear a WTO regime, it would be better if there is a sensible TA, but WTO is perfectly acceptable if a deal cant be reached.
I don't think it will come to that because the EU simply cant afford to lose the specialist services the UK offers them and they cant afford to force the UK people to change our mind set and buy more from cheaper none EU countries as our first thoughts on a purchase.
If we do end up under WTO, what's the point in keeping our relatively blinkered mind set of buying from Europe, we would be better off to buy from the rest of world. The EU needs to do a good PR job on us. When we leave the EU we can lower our tariff rates under WTO. The EU are going to have to work harder then to sell to us because we wont have the current EU tariff rates that artificially protect EU goods and services.
The world is a very different place to the one it was 45 years ago. Transport costs are cheap from rest of the world, communication speed is beyond the imagination of 70's man. We genuinely are a global world now, for example I can discuss something with a colleague in New Zealand within seconds and it costs me not a single penny to do that.
Just out of interest who would change their buying choices if the EU behaved like a set of a-holes in thus negotiation.I don't think it will come to that because the EU simply cant afford to lose the specialist services the UK offers them and they cant afford to force the UK people to change our mind set and buy more from cheaper none EU countries as our first thoughts on a purchase.
If we do end up under WTO, what's the point in keeping our relatively blinkered mind set of buying from Europe, we would be better off to buy from the rest of world. The EU needs to do a good PR job on us. When we leave the EU we can lower our tariff rates under WTO. The EU are going to have to work harder then to sell to us because we wont have the current EU tariff rates that artificially protect EU goods and services.
The world is a very different place to the one it was 45 years ago. Transport costs are cheap from rest of the world, communication speed is beyond the imagination of 70's man. We genuinely are a global world now, for example I can discuss something with a colleague in New Zealand within seconds and it costs me not a single penny to do that.
As a family we try and buy British, not always possible. If the EU really set out on a punishment approach, the buy British would stay, but after that, anywhere but the EU as next choice. Anyone else? Petty, yes, childish, yes. Stuff 'em.
I'm just glad we voted out and we can leave 40 plus years of trying to make friends with people who don't get us !!! WTO sounds fine for the odd bits I want and trade deals with our friends so its all looking good .. Brexit rocks ..
Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 19th March 16:01
FiF said:
Whether you like them or not the North's do have a way with words and cutting to the nitty gritty. One thing today from Peter that caused a titter.
"Anything Scotland can say can also be said by Yorkshire - only Yorkshire doesn't have a clan of knuckle scraping nationalist gobstes to make noise in Westminster. "
Too true.
"Anything Scotland can say can also be said by Yorkshire - only Yorkshire doesn't have a clan of knuckle scraping nationalist gobs
tes to make noise in Westminster. "Too true.
take your pick . http://www.godsowncounty.co.uk/yorkshire/yorkshire...https://yorkshiredevolution.co.uk/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/695562/cornwall-y...
Burwood said:
Tuna said:
Tryke3 said:
Its ok, cant wait till a business would need to pay the vat in advance while at it.
It sounds like you have no experience of this at all though?I really couldnt be bothered to type something similar because life is too short to argue with loonies on the internet
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