The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Haha, says the master of searching the Indy and posting links to lame bad news Brexit articles with a sarcastic single comment as proof of something. You've done that non stop since your tantrum day on June 24th of last year. You've got some brass neck on this forum, I'll give you that much.

so no substance then, as usual.

can you think for yourself, or just parrot what the express tells you?

It was a comment about you linking daily articles with no comment on anything of substance, only a sarcastic comment about your perceived failure of Brexit. When you linking rubbish by the likes of Dennis Mac Shane and leave it there as proof of something , then expect to get mocked for it.
I don't read the express and have never linked an express story, so not sure why you say that, other than foryour usual tactic of trying to taint.

[gizlaroc]

///ajd said:

yes, skimmed it. biased.

Like so many remainers did with the facts of the EU.

[Sylvaforever]

///ajd said:

Its a total Farage biscuit article. If you can't see through it, fair enough.

You're the one that has been seen through shipmate..

[///ajd]

gizlaroc said:

///ajd said:

yes, skimmed it. biased.

Like so many remainers did with the facts of the EU.

The irony. Need one bring up the red bus of lies?

A bus for idiots if ever there was one - why did they think that would "work"?

They knew their audience, thats for sure!

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

don'tbesilly said:

I've never stated I hate the EU, not wanting to be a being a member of the EU doesn't equate to hate, wherever have you got that idea?

The article referenced isn't about hating the EU,is that really what you think?
If you do, you clearly haven't read any of it.

Did I say the article was great, no.

Have I mentioned the Express/Daily Mail, no.

Anything else you wish to twist?

Its a total Farage biscuit article. If you can't see through it, fair enough.

You didn't bother reading it, you knew it didn't suit your bias or agenda.

Farage again!

You took far more notice of the Guy pre-referendum then anyone who voted Leave did, he's like some god like figure to you,the secret obsession, you've got him really bad.

When are you coming out?
It's well known that love/hate is a line easily crossed

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

gizlaroc said:

///ajd said:

yes, skimmed it. biased.

Like so many remainers did with the facts of the EU.

The irony. Need one bring up the red bus of lies?

A bus for idiots if ever there was one - why did they think that would "work"?

They knew their audience, thats for sure!

Plenty of lies on all sides........right result in the end and that's all that matters.......bye bye Juncker, slasher, popeye and the rest of Ange's merry men

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

You didn't bother reading it, you knew it didn't suit your bias or agenda.

Farage again!

You took far more notice of the Guy pre-referendum then anyone who voted Leave did, he's like some god like figure to you,the secret obsession, you've got him really bad.

When are you coming out?
It's well known that love/hate is a line easily crossed

You're not suggesting that slasher has a bit of a "thing" for Nige are you?

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

don'tbesilly said:

You didn't bother reading it, you knew it didn't suit your bias or agenda.

Farage again!

You took far more notice of the Guy pre-referendum then anyone who voted Leave did, he's like some god like figure to you,the secret obsession, you've got him really bad.

When are you coming out?
It's well known that love/hate is a line easily crossed

You're not suggesting that slasher has a bit of a "thing" for Nige are you?

Undoubtedly,///ajd writes about him constantly, most days we always get a reference about Farage from the Aerospace engineer from Toulouse

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

The irony. Need one bring up the red bus of lies?

A bus for idiots if ever there was one - why did they think that would "work"?

They knew their audience, thats for sure!

The 'beauty ' of the big red bus what that it could only ever be at best a suggestion from a cross party group of people not seeking to be elected. One which remainers always talk of as being a promise for some reason. It's also odd but no one else but remainers speak of it now , don't you find that odd ? It's almost like it doesn't matter to those who voted to leave, they still want out.
Cameron and the government though we're rather more constrained and had to set out define things which he and the government would do. All of which went out the window when he did a runner in tthe morning despite saying he wouldnt.
The big red bus tourettes of remainers is perhaps the most comic thing on PH these days.

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

don'tbesilly said:

You didn't bother reading it, you knew it didn't suit your bias or agenda.

Farage again!

You took far more notice of the Guy pre-referendum then anyone who voted Leave did, he's like some god like figure to you,the secret obsession, you've got him really bad.

When are you coming out?
It's well known that love/hate is a line easily crossed

You're not suggesting that slasher has a bit of a "thing" for Nige are you?

Undoubtedly,///ajd writes about him constantly, most days we always get a reference about Farage from the Aerospace engineer from Toulouse

This is my mental image of our very own resident rocket scientist from France

[Einion Yrth]

alfie2244 said:

This is my mental image of our very own resident rocket scientist from France

[img]redacted

I think you may need help, or a padded cell shared with techiedave.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

don'tbesilly said:

You didn't bother reading it, you knew it didn't suit your bias or agenda.

Farage again!

You took far more notice of the Guy pre-referendum then anyone who voted Leave did, he's like some god like figure to you,the secret obsession, you've got him really bad.

When are you coming out?
It's well known that love/hate is a line easily crossed

You're not suggesting that slasher has a bit of a "thing" for Nige are you?

Undoubtedly,///ajd writes about him constantly, most days we always get a reference about Farage from the Aerospace engineer from Toulouse

This is my mental image of our very own resident rocket scientist from France

I've never envisaged ///ajd as looking like Benny Hill, it would make sense though

[alfie2244]

Einion Yrth said:

alfie2244 said:

This is my mental image of our very own resident rocket scientist from France

[img]redacted

I think you may need help, or a padded cell shared with techiedave.

Thankfully I don't think I'm Dave's type

[Einion Yrth]

alfie2244 said:

Einion Yrth said:

alfie2244 said:

This is my mental image of our very own resident rocket scientist from France

[img]redacted

I think you may need help, or a padded cell shared with techiedave.

Thankfully I don't think I'm Dave's type

Evidence would tend to suggest he's not that fussy.

[Murph7355]

Mrr T said:

...
In my view 1 and 2 are best covered by remaining in EEA via EFTA. It's then down to processing. It might require the UK to remain in the CU on Brexit. Then when the UK has agreed access to the paperless customs processing, has made sure our system can cope, that Dover, Calais, and Ireland N and S are ready we can withdraw from the CU.

But that would be impossible, surely? Having our cake and eating it

Personally I think EEA/EFTA will be unnecessary. Whether it's agreeable or not will depend on the full arrangements.

It's in everyone's interests for the borders you note to operate smoothly. There's no need for them not to with all the things you note being in place on B+1 anyway (mutual recognition of standards etc).

After initial heavy posturing for 6mths I suspect a "UK" deal will be forthcoming over the following 18. It will be easy to paint this as a UK only thing and hence not to further encourage other member states (though won't stop them IMO) and sense will eventually prevail. I think some focus on that angle by the negotiating team is essential - it is by far the biggest fear of the EU IMO.

There will be some downside with EU trade. But there would have been had we stayed.

In 13yrs time we will have no clue whether we would have been worse off or not and all but a very few will care.

[Mrr T]

Murph7355 said:

Mrr T said:

...
In my view 1 and 2 are best covered by remaining in EEA via EFTA. It's then down to processing. It might require the UK to remain in the CU on Brexit. Then when the UK has agreed access to the paperless customs processing, has made sure our system can cope, that Dover, Calais, and Ireland N and S are ready we can withdraw from the CU.

But that would be impossible, surely? Having our cake and eating it

Personally I think EEA/EFTA will be unnecessary. Whether it's agreeable or not will depend on the full arrangements.

It's in everyone's interests for the borders you note to operate smoothly. There's no need for them not to with all the things you note being in place on B+1 anyway (mutual recognition of standards etc).

After initial heavy posturing for 6mths I suspect a "UK" deal will be forthcoming over the following 18. It will be easy to paint this as a UK only thing and hence not to further encourage other member states (though won't stop them IMO) and sense will eventually prevail. I think some focus on that angle by the negotiating team is essential - it is by far the biggest fear of the EU IMO.

There will be some downside with EU trade. But there would have been had we stayed.

In 13yrs time we will have no clue whether we would have been worse off or not and all but a very few will care.

I hope you are right. What i do not understand is that team leave say one of the problems of the EU is that it takes so long to negotiate FTA because 28 countries had to agree. However, they think the rEU can agree the most complex trade agreement ever in 18 months.

My fear remains train crash Brexit.

[///ajd]

Deptford Draylons said:

///ajd said:

The irony. Need one bring up the red bus of lies?

A bus for idiots if ever there was one - why did they think that would "work"?

They knew their audience, thats for sure!

The 'beauty ' of the big red bus what that it could only ever be at best a suggestion from a cross party group of people not seeking to be elected. One which remainers always talk of as being a promise for some reason. It's also odd but no one else but remainers speak of it now , don't you find that odd ? It's almost like it doesn't matter to those who voted to leave, they still want out.
Cameron and the government though we're rather more constrained and had to set out define things which he and the government would do. All of which went out the window when he did a runner in tthe morning despite saying he wouldnt.
The big red bus tourettes of remainers is perhaps the most comic thing on PH these days.

There is little beautiful about a crafty lie to the people.

Matt Elliott was a picture when asked about it. He knew full well it was crap but knew full well the people he was looking to influnece were too daft to realise. The dog whistle would still work was his thinking.

Leavers hardly want to go on about it do they? Its a national embarrassment.

It is an example of why there is a case to not treat the result with respect. Secured under false pretences. No wonder leavers don't like talking about it.

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

///ajd said:

The irony. Need one bring up the red bus of lies?

A bus for idiots if ever there was one - why did they think that would "work"?

They knew their audience, thats for sure!

The 'beauty ' of the big red bus what that it could only ever be at best a suggestion from a cross party group of people not seeking to be elected. One which remainers always talk of as being a promise for some reason. It's also odd but no one else but remainers speak of it now , don't you find that odd ? It's almost like it doesn't matter to those who voted to leave, they still want out.
Cameron and the government though we're rather more constrained and had to set out define things which he and the government would do. All of which went out the window when he did a runner in tthe morning despite saying he wouldnt.
The big red bus tourettes of remainers is perhaps the most comic thing on PH these days.

There is little beautiful about a crafty lie to the people.

Matt Elliott was a picture when asked about it. He knew full well it was crap but knew full well the people he was looking to influnece were too daft to realise. The dog whistle would still work was his thinking.

Leavers hardly want to go on about it do they? Its a national embarrassment.

It is an example of why there is a case to not treat the result with respect. Secured under false pretences. No wonder leavers don't like talking about it.

Still didn't register with you it can only be a suggestion, did it ? No wonder you have difficulty with it.
The problem with your big red bus tourettes is you try and push the idea that no one was aware it could only be a suggestion, everyone bought it was going to happen and everyone wanted it to happen.
The fact the only mention it gets these days is from people like you should tell you leave voters don't care either way and it doesn't figure, or there's be a collapse in support for leaving and that has happened, far from it in fact as people just want to get on with it.

Since you'll insist with never leaving it alone I'll indulge you by acting like you. Mrs Miggens next door was told there would be a punishment budget, economic doom, her banker husband would have to go and work in France, the Calais jungle is going to be outside her Kent home, a looming European armed conflict was on the horizon, her pension decimated, a recession , thousands of job losses. All those Remain votes secured under false pretences , have you no shame ?

Like you desperately want to find a juicy job loss story a year on you can run and post on PH to prove you are right, you are still searching for all those people who have reversed their decision to leave because of the big red bus. Very sad .

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

I hope you are right. What i do not understand is that team leave say one of the problems of the EU is that it takes so long to negotiate FTA because 28 countries had to agree. However, they think the rEU can agree the most complex trade agreement ever in 18 months.

My fear remains train crash Brexit.

It's an utter nightmare starting from a WTO position.

From our position of mutually recognised standards and existing free trade, it should be as simple as the Canadians when they say 'copy the existing agreement, change the names at the top, sign on the dotted line'.

Further, the agreement comes about as part of Article 50 negotiations, which do not (as per for example, the Canadian/EU FTA) require unanimity, instead QMV applies which makes life far easier as there's a few countries we can effectively ignore...

[Rich_W]

Sway said:

From our position of mutually recognised standards and existing free trade, it should be as simple as the Canadians when they say 'copy the existing agreement, change the names at the top, sign on the dotted line'.

Further, the agreement comes about as part of Article 50 negotiations, which do not (as per for example, the Canadian/EU FTA) require unanimity, instead QMV applies which makes life far easier as there's a few countries we can effectively ignore...

Exactly. We already make and buy things according to EU rules. Which by and large are fine.

If Canada can get a decent deal, there's NO reason why we shouldn't get the same good deal. Especially since we have trade more with EEA than Canada ever have.

With the caveat that certain players in Brussels want us to be punished to dissuade others from leaving. Hopefully after the first round of negotiations the powers in Brussels will realise it's not helpful for either side.