The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

[Tuna]

Meanwhile, the Guardian are very calm and not at all hysterical about Article 50 this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar...

[Deptford Draylons]

Jimboka said:

As a semi-retired remain voter, i'm doing rather nicely in £ thanks to brexit trashing the pound, so boosting the stock market. A big boost to my investments etc. Thanks guys
I will still have EU passport thanks to an Irish born grand parent I never met, so no worries about overseas property. Altjough that will be OK anyway as part of EU nationals remaining here deal.

Here hoping that we are able to negotiate a deal as good as we have today! It all makes perfect sense.... brexit is brexit : take back control : brexit drivel : repeat

You post this exact same post about every 4 weeks for some reason. Like your Brexit moan, its got rather boring.

[don'tbesilly]

Tuna said:

Meanwhile, the Guardian are very calm and not at all hysterical about Article 50 this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar...

That's you off ///ajd's Xmas card list, you just stole his thunder, he was keeping that one for later/tomorrow

[B'stard Child]

Deptford Draylons said:

Jimboka said:

As a semi-retired remain voter, i'm doing rather nicely in £ thanks to brexit trashing the pound, so boosting the stock market. A big boost to my investments etc. Thanks guys
I will still have EU passport thanks to an Irish born grand parent I never met, so no worries about overseas property. Altjough that will be OK anyway as part of EU nationals remaining here deal.

Here hoping that we are able to negotiate a deal as good as we have today! It all makes perfect sense.... brexit is brexit : take back control : brexit drivel : repeat

You post this exact same post about every 4 weeks for some reason. Like your Brexit moan, its got rather boring.

Hit and run - that's his style - don't expect a discussion

[TLandCruiser]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39410075

Qatar to invest 5 Billion in the UK

[Murph7355]

TLandCruiser said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39410075

Qatar to invest 5 Billion in the UK

'#DespiteBrexit

(As one predisposed to a good whinge, I really should join the Remain ranks).

Edited by Murph7355 on Tuesday 28th March 14:14

[DapperDanMan]

B'stard Child said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Jimboka said:

As a semi-retired remain voter, i'm doing rather nicely in £ thanks to brexit trashing the pound, so boosting the stock market. A big boost to my investments etc. Thanks guys
I will still have EU passport thanks to an Irish born grand parent I never met, so no worries about overseas property. Altjough that will be OK anyway as part of EU nationals remaining here deal.

Here hoping that we are able to negotiate a deal as good as we have today! It all makes perfect sense.... brexit is brexit : take back control : brexit drivel : repeat

You post this exact same post about every 4 weeks for some reason. Like your Brexit moan, its got rather boring.

Hit and run - that's his style - don't expect a discussion

What discussion might that be then on PH?

[B'stard Child]

DapperDanMan said:

B'stard Child said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Jimboka said:

As a semi-retired remain voter, i'm doing rather nicely in £ thanks to brexit trashing the pound, so boosting the stock market. A big boost to my investments etc. Thanks guys
I will still have EU passport thanks to an Irish born grand parent I never met, so no worries about overseas property. Altjough that will be OK anyway as part of EU nationals remaining here deal.

Here hoping that we are able to negotiate a deal as good as we have today! It all makes perfect sense.... brexit is brexit : take back control : brexit drivel : repeat

You post this exact same post about every 4 weeks for some reason. Like your Brexit moan, its got rather boring.

Hit and run - that's his style - don't expect a discussion

What discussion might that be then on PH?

From Jimboka - none at all anywhere I have seen - as previously stated "hit and run" bit like JawKnee in the Corbyn thread and many others - credit where credit is due jj and slasher at least stick around and defend their points of view (albeit with guardian/mail/express links)

[paul789]

I've just received my membership card in the post. I'm now officially signed up to the Brexiteer supporters club (associate membership). Bizarrely, I'm actually excited to see how things pan out, I thought I'd feel fear.

Personally, I've made the choice of cutting outgoings (selling the Cayman gts). Considered holding off on the house renovation, but unless things really go 'fun bags up', we'll see that money again. So we're running failrly lean for now in case there's a squeeze.

The theorising is over, the swapping of links etc....now we see whose vision of the future is correct. Again, at risk of boring you, let me be wrong.

Edited by paul789 on Wednesday 29th March 11:15

[glazbagun]

Meanwhile Lloyds will create some jobs... in Brussels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39441035

Will be interesting to see how many companies open subsidiaries over here. Presumably if we're a big enough customer they will already have staff and a company here so just paperwork.

[Digga]

As I now see it with the negotiations, there' the pre negotiation, with the EU, and then the post negotiation with 20 odd individual member states. Whatever is 'agreed' in the former can, in most cases, be circumvented in the latter. It's going to take an impressively stubborn nation to not want to play ball with us, in the same way as we need to get on with most of them. If one nation takes a hard line, clearly there can be a tit-for-tat and that leaves their government economically disadvantaged and politically at risk of criticism both at home and abroad.

[IroningMan]

Digga said:

As I now see it with the negotiations, there' the pre negotiation, with the EU, and then the post negotiation with 20 odd individual member states. Whatever is 'agreed' in the former can, in most cases, be circumvented in the latter. It's going to take an impressively stubborn nation to not want to play ball with us, in the same way as we need to get on with most of them. If one nation takes a hard line, clearly there can be a tit-for-tat and that leaves their government economically disadvantaged and politically at risk of criticism both at home and abroad.

There's no avenue for bilateral deals with any individual EU nation - any more than any of them/us can have a bilateral deal with a non-EU country at the moment?

[Digga]

IroningMan said:

Digga said:

As I now see it with the negotiations, there' the pre negotiation, with the EU, and then the post negotiation with 20 odd individual member states. Whatever is 'agreed' in the former can, in most cases, be circumvented in the latter. It's going to take an impressively stubborn nation to not want to play ball with us, in the same way as we need to get on with most of them. If one nation takes a hard line, clearly there can be a tit-for-tat and that leaves their government economically disadvantaged and politically at risk of criticism both at home and abroad.

There's no avenue for bilateral deals with any individual EU nation - any more than any of them/us can have a bilateral deal with a non-EU country at the moment?

Effectively, as the negotiations develop, this is going to tend to happen, even if unofficially. It is one of the weaknesses of the EU.

[minimoog]

Digga said:

Effectively, as the negotiations develop, this is going to tend to happen, even if unofficially. It is one of the weaknesses of the EU.

If non-EU states being able to do bilateral deals on the sly with member states was a weakness of the EU, why did we as a member state need to leave in order to do deals with non-EU states?

[FiF]

What I don't see is this attitude that we aren't even allowed to discuss deals with non EU states during the next two years until we actually exit. I can see the deals can't be legally signed and actioned until then, but how can they stop discussions? Frankly one reason to be glad about getting rid of the uppity twerps.

[Jockman]

FiF said:

What I don't see is this attitude that we aren't even allowed to discuss deals with non EU states during the next two years until we actually exit. I can see the deals can't be legally signed and actioned until then, but how can they stop discussions? Frankly one reason to be glad about getting rid of the uppity twerps.

Them's the rules, I'm afraid. We both know that Trade deals are likely to follow quite swiftly 2 years from now so there will be unofficial discussions.

[Digga]

minimoog said:

Digga said:

Effectively, as the negotiations develop, this is going to tend to happen, even if unofficially. It is one of the weaknesses of the EU.

If non-EU states being able to do bilateral deals on the sly with member states was a weakness of the EU, why did we as a member state need to leave in order to do deals with non-EU states?

We're still in the Eu until we leave. I'm thinking more how the final negotiations will be influenced in this way.

[skahigh]

FiF said:

What I don't see is this attitude that we aren't even allowed to discuss deals with non EU states during the next two years until we actually exit. I can see the deals can't be legally signed and actioned until then, but how can they stop discussions? Frankly one reason to be glad about getting rid of the uppity twerps.

I'm sure their logic (if you can call it that) is that they still want us to change our minds about leaving, if we have got the outline of other trade agreements in place before they have finished negotiating with us we're much less likely to bend to their will either in terms of changing our minds or in accepting a less than stellar trade agreement from the EU.

Frankly, I was always a reluctant leaver, it was a close run thing for me. Everything the EU and it's representatives have said and done since the referendum have reinforced the notion that I made the correct choice.

[FiF]

Jockman said:

FiF said:

What I don't see is this attitude that we aren't even allowed to discuss deals with non EU states during the next two years until we actually exit. I can see the deals can't be legally signed and actioned until then, but how can they stop discussions? Frankly one reason to be glad about getting rid of the uppity twerps.

Them's the rules, I'm afraid. We both know that Trade deals are likely to follow quite swiftly 2 years from now so there will be unofficial discussions.

But that's the point I was making. For best discusses it here

The EU is trying to give the impression, eagerly pounced on by Remainers, that we are not permitted to even discuss trade deals until after we have exited, and that if we do there will be no Brexit deal.

Yet from the linked piece "It is entirely true that the European Union claims sole competence over trade agreements made for all countries within the EU. And also that EU countries cannot go off and negotiate their own trade agreements. But that is vitally different from negotiating an agreement which will take effect after a country has left the EU. Britain is of course entirely free to do that, no doubt about it whatsoever."

So on your bike EU, again stuff like this just makes me more and more sure we've made the right decision.

In other news O'Brien on LBC, meltdown indeed.

[Burwood]

FiF said:

Jockman said:

FiF said:

What I don't see is this attitude that we aren't even allowed to discuss deals with non EU states during the next two years until we actually exit. I can see the deals can't be legally signed and actioned until then, but how can they stop discussions? Frankly one reason to be glad about getting rid of the uppity twerps.

Them's the rules, I'm afraid. We both know that Trade deals are likely to follow quite swiftly 2 years from now so there will be unofficial discussions.

But that's the point I was making. For best discusses it here

The EU is trying to give the impression, eagerly pounced on by Remainers, that we are not permitted to even discuss trade deals until after we have exited, and that if we do there will be no Brexit deal.

Yet from the linked piece "It is entirely true that the European Union claims sole competence over trade agreements made for all countries within the EU. And also that EU countries cannot go off and negotiate their own trade agreements. But that is vitally different from negotiating an agreement which will take effect after a country has left the EU. Britain is of course entirely free to do that, no doubt about it whatsoever."

So on your bike EU, again stuff like this just makes me more and more sure we've made the right decision.

In other news O'Brien on LBC, meltdown indeed.

If I was TM Id just walks away from all discussions given the hostility. Start talking to other countries. fk the EU .

They have just proven exactly why we should not be a part of their club.