Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?
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Chrisgr31 said:
Wouldnt be the first time someone has slept in a bin and gone n the lorry. Anyway why did the lorry go to the tip if the contents only weighed 30kgs?
Thinking about it the lorry has a ability to weigh its lad I assume, and t must be weighed at the tip too I assume, for landfill tax reasons.
And it wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to 'adjust' the scales to reduce the amount being taken to the tip to reduce charges. I'd have thought the scales on the lorry would struggle to be accurate enough to really notice an 80kg man amongst a load even assuming they haven't been tampered with.Thinking about it the lorry has a ability to weigh its lad I assume, and t must be weighed at the tip too I assume, for landfill tax reasons.
Can't believe the police didn't go and search the tip, unless they had other information... or just thought he'd turn up after a few days.
Saw this earlier and thought I'd do a bit of (rubbish) amateur internet sleuthing.
One thing I noticed is the zoom into Bury St Edmunds satellite view on Google Maps is like it used to be years ago i.e. not very close/detailed. Is there a reason for this or is it coincidence?
I can zoom pretty detailed into say Blackpool (it's where I live, don't start..) and change it to 3D etc. whereas with Bury I can't.
One thing I noticed is the zoom into Bury St Edmunds satellite view on Google Maps is like it used to be years ago i.e. not very close/detailed. Is there a reason for this or is it coincidence?
I can zoom pretty detailed into say Blackpool (it's where I live, don't start..) and change it to 3D etc. whereas with Bury I can't.
We don't have enough data to do anything but speculate. For example, assume he was in a bin, in a drunken sleep.
What sort of bin, waste, recycling or mixed? How are the contents treated when they reach their destination? Just tipped in a hole in the ground, or sorted either my hand or machine?
Are any checks made at the destination for illicit or unexpected contents?
You'd have to assume the Police have done these sort of checks and established the possibility of a search turning up evidence.
There are the other numerous possibilities that could account for his disappearance, the most likely appear to have been explored in some depth, like roads and rail areas.
He may have just decided to disappear.
What sort of bin, waste, recycling or mixed? How are the contents treated when they reach their destination? Just tipped in a hole in the ground, or sorted either my hand or machine?
Are any checks made at the destination for illicit or unexpected contents?
You'd have to assume the Police have done these sort of checks and established the possibility of a search turning up evidence.
There are the other numerous possibilities that could account for his disappearance, the most likely appear to have been explored in some depth, like roads and rail areas.
He may have just decided to disappear.
It's all very odd. From what I have read so far, he isn't seen leaving the "Horseshoe"/bin area on foot so he either left in a vehicle or in a bin. I'm sure the police will actively be tracing the vehicles seen on CCTV, and also correlating other mobile signals in the area that potential travelled the same route (it must have been relatively quiet). His phone travelled to Barton Mills (in the opposite direction to his base) at a speed only a vehicle could have maintained after 4.30am, and then the last ping was in this area around 8/9am when it disappeared from the network. The police must be pretty confident he wasn't in the bin due to the lack of forensic evidence; I remember watching a crime programme where they were able to trace a suitcase in a massive landfill site because their record keeping was very precise.
I think he either arranged to meet somebody on grinder/tindr type app which is why he sat in the doorway for 2 hours, then left in a car in the direction of the bin lorry (coincidence) and some harm has come to him; or he was sleeping the alcohol off and was about to drive back to base and he met somebody by chance. Either way it's all very sad, and I don't think this is going to have a happy ending. I get the feeling the police know a lot more than they are disclosing.
I think he either arranged to meet somebody on grinder/tindr type app which is why he sat in the doorway for 2 hours, then left in a car in the direction of the bin lorry (coincidence) and some harm has come to him; or he was sleeping the alcohol off and was about to drive back to base and he met somebody by chance. Either way it's all very sad, and I don't think this is going to have a happy ending. I get the feeling the police know a lot more than they are disclosing.
SO, The bin the lorry picked up in the alley was 15 kilos too light to have contained the man, the phone did the trip from alley to near the landfill.
The man and his phone climbed in the bin lorry (either the cab or more likely the back load area) while it was up the alley, for what reason or purpose I do not know.
Unknown interaction between driver and missing man.
Phone thrown into hedge on way to landfill, man dead in landfill. Bin lorry driver knows more than is letting on.
The man and his phone climbed in the bin lorry (either the cab or more likely the back load area) while it was up the alley, for what reason or purpose I do not know.
Unknown interaction between driver and missing man.
Phone thrown into hedge on way to landfill, man dead in landfill. Bin lorry driver knows more than is letting on.
The other strange thing.....
The reporting on him is all very positive.
This is a guy who goes out on the lash, gets escorted out of a club, sleeps rough in a doorway and vanishes. All of the reports go to great length to stress the "he was in great spirits", "he left willingly" "he was laughing and joking"
No idea if this is relevant or not. Just idle internet speculation.
It would have been much easier for the headlines to read "pissed up squaddie gets thrown out of a club, kips in a doorway, and the disappears"
The reporting on him is all very positive.
This is a guy who goes out on the lash, gets escorted out of a club, sleeps rough in a doorway and vanishes. All of the reports go to great length to stress the "he was in great spirits", "he left willingly" "he was laughing and joking"
No idea if this is relevant or not. Just idle internet speculation.
It would have been much easier for the headlines to read "pissed up squaddie gets thrown out of a club, kips in a doorway, and the disappears"
Dan_1981 said:
The other strange thing.....
The reporting on him is all very positive.
This is a guy who goes out on the lash, gets escorted out of a club, sleeps rough in a doorway and vanishes. All of the reports go to great length to stress the "he was in great spirits", "he left willingly" "he was laughing and joking"
No idea if this is relevant or not. Just idle internet speculation.
It would have been much easier for the headlines to read "pissed up squaddie gets thrown out of a club, kips in a doorway, and the disappears"
I doubt people would be so willing to help seach for a 'pissed up sqauddie who kips in doorways and gets chucked out of clubs' The reporting on him is all very positive.
This is a guy who goes out on the lash, gets escorted out of a club, sleeps rough in a doorway and vanishes. All of the reports go to great length to stress the "he was in great spirits", "he left willingly" "he was laughing and joking"
No idea if this is relevant or not. Just idle internet speculation.
It would have been much easier for the headlines to read "pissed up squaddie gets thrown out of a club, kips in a doorway, and the disappears"
some interesting reading on Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comme...
Mephistofleas said:
One thing I noticed is the zoom into Bury St Edmunds satellite view on Google Maps is like it used to be years ago i.e. not very close/detailed. Is there a reason for this or is it coincidence?
Bury is a small town in Suffolk - Blackpool is nearly four times the size.If he's known to have entered this horseshoe area, and definetly does not leave it by any other method such as on foot,, then he must be in one of the vehicles seen leaving the area.
iliminate the vehicles, and what's left is the answer.
What's the deal with the other vehicles leaving the area? Surely there must be a way of finding out who drives in and or out of the area. If none of them have a connection, the answer is going to be the waste truck.
A cadaver dog at the waste site might be the answer.
iliminate the vehicles, and what's left is the answer.
What's the deal with the other vehicles leaving the area? Surely there must be a way of finding out who drives in and or out of the area. If none of them have a connection, the answer is going to be the waste truck.
A cadaver dog at the waste site might be the answer.
Borroxs said:
If he's known to have entered this horseshoe area, and definetly does not leave it by any other method such as on foot,, then he must be in one of the vehicles seen leaving the area.
iliminate the vehicles, and what's left is the answer.
What's the deal with the other vehicles leaving the area? Surely there must be a way of finding out who drives in and or out of the area. If none of them have a connection, the answer is going to be the waste truck.
A cadaver dog at the waste site might be the answer.
The assumptions areiliminate the vehicles, and what's left is the answer.
What's the deal with the other vehicles leaving the area? Surely there must be a way of finding out who drives in and or out of the area. If none of them have a connection, the answer is going to be the waste truck.
A cadaver dog at the waste site might be the answer.
1. It was him going in to the horseshoe
2. he didnt find another way out
3. he's not still there
anyone got a google streetmap link?
If I'm reading this right (and I'm happy to be corrected), the police have shown an unwillingness and/or an indifference to searching the landfill site. And yet the only vehicle which came out of that area on which the misper could have been travelling, willingly or otherwise, was a dump truck which went to the landfill site?
Why would they not search there? Even if only to eliminate it?
Why would they not search there? Even if only to eliminate it?
CAPP0 said:
If I'm reading this right (and I'm happy to be corrected), the police have shown an unwillingness and/or an indifference to searching the landfill site. And yet the only vehicle which came out of that area on which the misper could have been travelling, willingly or otherwise, was a dump truck which went to the landfill site?
Why would they not search there? Even if only to eliminate it?
Exactly this. And why would the truck have only been carrying !5 kilos of waste? That's not even one wheelie bin full, surley?Why would they not search there? Even if only to eliminate it?
Willhire89 said:
I'm fully in agreement that the landfill would be my search focus but I did read that Reddit link above which reckons the waste lorry collected paper recyclables which were hand sorted and therefore by then although they may have missed a 'phone they would not have missed him.
We need miss marple just to find out why the police didnt go to the tipIf the paper sorters missed the phone wouldnt that mean the guy may have been hiding on the truck somewhere?
Why not try to find the phone anyway? Or did someone else say the phone jumped off the truck just before the landfill - why were they putting paper in landfill?
Do they think he put the phone on the truck as a distraction while he's gone walk about
saaby93 said:
Willhire89 said:
I'm fully in agreement that the landfill would be my search focus but I did read that Reddit link above which reckons the waste lorry collected paper recyclables which were hand sorted and therefore by then although they may have missed a 'phone they would not have missed him.
We need miss marple just to find out why the police didnt go to the tipIf the paper sorters missed the phone wouldnt that mean the guy may have been hiding on the truck somewhere?
Why not try to find the phone anyway? Or did someone else say the phone jumped off the truck just before the landfill - why were they putting paper in landfill?
Do they think he put the phone on the truck as a distraction while he's gone walk about
The police can be therefore pretty certain he was not in the sorted load (and therefore never made it to BM) and in that assumption despite the potential are not focused on finding the 'phone.
That Reddit page is actually quite good with a lot of information there I'd not seen before and I have been following the case since it made mainstream media.
It states the contents of the bin lorry are manually sorted by hand at a processing station and anything not recyclable is taken to landfill. We're his body in the bin therefore he would have been found at that pinch point.
There are other questions raised there about his character that are in need of address but out of respect I'll pass no comment.
Let's just hope he somehow turns up safe and well. It'd be great for this one to have a happy ending.
It states the contents of the bin lorry are manually sorted by hand at a processing station and anything not recyclable is taken to landfill. We're his body in the bin therefore he would have been found at that pinch point.
There are other questions raised there about his character that are in need of address but out of respect I'll pass no comment.
Let's just hope he somehow turns up safe and well. It'd be great for this one to have a happy ending.
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