Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

[djc206]

Derek Smith said:

Strange comment about 'gun culture' in a rural location. My experience is the further you travel from kerbs and pedestrian corssings, the more firearms people have.

We don't know what type of gun was used so it might well have been held legally.

Indeed there are close to 2 million licensed firearms in the U.K. including 1.3 million shotguns.

[anonymous-user]

djc206 said:

Indeed there are close to 2 million licensed firearms in the U.K. including 1.3 million shotguns.

Wow I'd have guessed a tiny fraction of that.

[Murph7355]

fblm said:

Wow I'd have guessed a tiny fraction of that.

I suspect a large number of people will have multiple guns if the shooting clubs I've been to are anything to go by.

In fact...at most we're talking 735k people. And I'd guess nearer 600k in actuality.

(https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearm-and-shotgun-certificates-in-england-and-wales-financial-year-ending-march-2015/firearm-and-shotgun-certificates-in-england-and-wales-financial-year-ending-march-2015)

Still probably more than most would think. Still only around 1% of the population of an age to own one I guess...

[Vipers]

Murph7355 said:

fblm said:

Wow I'd have guessed a tiny fraction of that.

I suspect a large number of people will have multiple guns if the shooting clubs I've been to are anything to go by.

In fact...at most we're talking 735k people. And I'd guess nearer 600k in actuality.

(https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearm-and-shotgun-certificates-in-england-and-wales-financial-year-ending-march-2015/firearm-and-shotgun-certificates-in-england-and-wales-financial-year-ending-march-2015)

Still probably more than most would think. Still only around 1% of the population of an age to own one I guess...

I thought shooting clubs are not allowed now?

[Ziplobb]

Vipers said:

I thought shooting clubs are not allowed now?

shooting clubs are allowed indeed they are highly regulated by the home office with enforcement by local police
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

[Ziplobb]

A very interesting read on the subject of the private ownership of firearms

All the Way Down the Slippery Slope: Gun Prohibition in England and Some Lessons for Civil Liberties in America
Professor Joseph E. Olson and Professor David B. Kopel

http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/histn/histn043...

[boyse7en]

fblm said:

djc206 said:

Indeed there are close to 2 million licensed firearms in the U.K. including 1.3 million shotguns.

Wow I'd have guessed a tiny fraction of that.

Living in a rural area, pretty much every farmer I know has at least one shotgun. I assume farmers in other parts of the country also have shotguns in similar numbers.

[djc206]

boyse7en said:

Living in a rural area, pretty much every farmer I know has at least one shotgun. I assume farmers in other parts of the country also have shotguns in similar numbers.

I know a fair few people who have them in the burbs.

[Digga]

djc206 said:

boyse7en said:

Living in a rural area, pretty much every farmer I know has at least one shotgun. I assume farmers in other parts of the country also have shotguns in similar numbers.

I know a fair few people who have them in the burbs.

My mate lives in the burbs. Actually runs a Fish & Chip shop, but is also a qualified marksman and licenced to use rifles for gamekeeping and pest control. Hunts deer in his spare time.

[SkrrSkrr]

I live in the city and know people who have them to hunt paigons and opps

[techguyone]

I expect you'll find the hunting (pheasants etc) & clay pigeon set have the most weapons.

[Rovinghawk]

SkrrSkrr said:

I live in the city and know people who have them to hunt paigons and opps

Pagans and what?

[SkrrSkrr]

opps - opposing side/opposition

[Digga]

techguyone said:

I expect you'll find the hunting (pheasants etc) & clay pigeon set have the most weapons.

When it comes to power, it's the deer stalkers who generally have the best kit; you are not allowed to hunt deer with a 12 bore, because it's simply not sufficiently powerful to kill large deer outright and humanely. Even with a rifle, an adult stag or buck can run half a mile or so before dropping.

We found one the rangers had shot by our house. We occasionally see them very early on in the morning - you can hear the difference between a shotgun and a rifle, which is much louder and sharper noise.

[PurpleAki]

Any new info on this? All gone extremely quiet.

[Digga]

PurpleAki said:

Any new info on this? All gone extremely quiet.

Gangsta still on ice. HTH

[Sportidge]

PurpleAki said:

Any new info on this? All gone extremely quiet.

Nothing on the deceased.

But the driver of the car is still on bail and up on firearms charges later in the year.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news...

[rfisher]

He's still dead apparently.

[anonymous-user]

A brief look back at this topic shows it sure brought out the idiots.

PurpleAki said:

Any new info on this? All gone extremely quiet.

Any criminal matters need to be concluded before any police investigations can be concluded. This is why they often take so long. The trial date from that article suggests December. If he's convicted he can still appeal which would prolong the criminal matters well into 2018.

After that there needs to be an enhanced inquest over the death which won't begin until 2018.

The inquest decision could then be appealed.

I wouldn't expect conclusions until mid / late 2018 but the matter could drag on for several years after that. See Duggan / Menezes (though we sympathise with the latter) for how long a hopeless cause is dragged on for.

Who'd be a firearms officer?

[PurpleAki]

rfisher said:

He's still dead apparently.

Brilliant! That's some funny st.