Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

[bitchstewie]

SystemParanoia said:

You dont believe the government, its departments and its quango's should be questioned and held to account for their actions and decisions ?

I'm sure we all do, that's what the IPCC will do.

You can't spout a load of tin-foil hat stuff about lead, hit-squads, assassinations and then try to seriously suggest you're being impartial and going where the evidence and the investigation leads.

[TerryThomas]

Elroy Blue said:

You've directly accused the Police Officers involved in this incident of carrying out an 'assignation'.

I don't think he's accused the officers of meeting up in secret with the guy they shot.

[SystemParanoia]

Koofler said:

SystemParanoia said:

Koofler said:

SystemParanoia said:

Munter said:

Nope.

The plan worked fine. The car was stopped, and no police were injured by a guy that (probably) tried to attack them.

Tick off the checks and balances to make sure it's lawful and as expected. Then crack on with the next thing on the list.

Ahh I see, the police can do no wrong in your eyes.
everything they do is beyond reproach and should never be questioned...

IMHO all aspects of our government and their control measures they have to keep us "in line" should be questioned, and always under the horrible spotlight of retrospect

Thank fk most schools go back tomorrow. Then we can have an adult conversation about this.

You dont believe the government, its departments and its quango's should be questioned and held to account for their actions and decisions ?

Yes, but everything else you've posted is pre-pubescent drivel. Assassination squads? Tooled up? Filled with lead?

And tin foil hatters like you make it easier for REAL injustices to be covered up as you're making so much noise with your inane drivel.

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value until many more eyes see the evidence, and preferably a number of judges with the aid of a jury of our peers.

I may be slightly tinfoil hat-ish about our system.. but its the only one we have, so i'd like to see it used.

[johnfm]

SystemParanoia said:

snotrag said:

SystemParanoia said:

so...


also... assassination death squads.. great, welcome to china!

Not quite. A Police car was shot at last week in Bradford. Quite possible they knew the stop would result the perps pulling out guns. Not a nice job for armed police.

Also worth bearing in mind that the last time someone was shot by WYP was 7 years ago. This is not the USA, they do not take it lightly or have itchy trigger fingers.

Great..
But that doesn't change the fact that this was an assassination.

I dont know the guy, but im not going to support extrajudicial assassinations when we have a perfectly adequate legal system in place.

You have ZERO evidence at the moment to support your view.

[hyphen]

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Which bit don't you like then?

Police Statement so far said:

Official Statement: "During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation."

[SystemParanoia]

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

[Digga]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The fact you do not actually end up in court, accused of an offence, without one hell of a lot of evidence pointing to the fact you very possibly were involved escapes some people. Just as there are innocent people inside (most of them, if you care to ask) so there are plenty of guilty people walking free for all sorts of reasons, circumstantial and procedural.

[Six Fiend]

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

Isn't that the job of the IPCC to investigate and then report on?

[SystemParanoia]

Six Fiend said:

Isn't that the job of the IPCC to investigate and then report on?

remind me..
who exactly killed de menezes ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...

[J4CKO]

With a bit of amateur googling, we have found out the deceased has a history of being accused of firearms offences, however he avoided jail as the evidence/witness was crap, but, funnily enough I think it was probably him, I personally and I am guessing everyone else on the thread doesn't have a seven year old news story regarding them getting off an attempted murder charge.

I am guessing that the operation in question will have done a little more information gathering and have confirmed he was indeed an amateur firearms enthusiast, if he were simply a shopkeeper who has a line in Duty Free Fags then the H and K reception party is not usually required.

He is described as nobody being perfect, and that is, reading between the lines means that in all likelihood a career criminal, accountants and bakers generally dont have the odd attempted murder blip in the past, so I suspect he may not be entirely law abiding.

I think if I were dealing with someone like that, I wouldn't be taking too many chances, it may well turn out he was not armed but I would think there was reasonable grounds to suspect he could be and one wrong move in those circumstances gets you shot.

[jcremonini]

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

Are you for real ?

What a stunningly naive thing to suggest.

[johnfm]

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

Tell us?

Pistonheads users?

Not really our business. I expect they will, however, tell the authorities to which they have an obligation to provide such information.

[Greendubber]

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

What would some names and the number of shots help you with?

[pinchmeimdreamin]

SystemParanoia said:

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

And what would "you" do with this information ?

[hyphen]

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

Nice diversion. Can we first agree there is nothing in the police statement for you to disagree with?

Now thats sorted , what benefit do you see arising from the name of the officer being released? bearing in mind that a police car was shot at prior to this incident in the centre of a busy city.

[SystemParanoia]

jcremonini said:

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

Are you for real ?

What a stunningly naive thing to suggest.

Without this in the open, they will just brush it under the rug, close ranks with each other and leave us with nothing.

[TerryThomas]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

And what would "you" do with this information ?

He'd be able to solve the case of course!!

[Jazzy Jag]

SystemParanoia said:

jcremonini said:

SystemParanoia said:

hyphen said:

SystemParanoia said:

Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value

Police Statement so far said:

During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

Are you for real ?

What a stunningly naive thing to suggest.

Without this in the open, they will just brush it under the rug, close ranks with each other and leave us with nothing.

Yeah because the scumbags mates wouldn't dream of popping round to check on him and his family...

[johnfm]

To be fair to SP, at least he openly admits to suffering from paranoia.

[wc98]

SystemParanoia said:

To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing

we have a link to a recent incident in this thread where some lunatic has taken a pot shot at a police car with a shotgun in full view of cctv, the attendant officers and members of the public. the last thing anyone should be doing is naming any of the officers involved.
i would like them to be able to go to work without worrying about their families safety due to revenge attacks.