Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
robinessex quoted Mick Mulvaney who said:
"We're not spending money on climate change any more," said Mick Mulvaney, the White House budget director.
"We consider that to be a waste of your money to go out and do that."
"We consider that to be a waste of your money to go out and do that."
BBC praising socialist redistribution of wealth nothing to do with climate science said:
US money has made a massive difference to their lives and livelihoods.
BBC muppetry said:
Climate change is driving up sea levels around this coastal habitation on the island of Lombok
No it isn't.For starters, Indeonesia's network of coastal tide gauge stations was set up from 2004/5 onwards. The reason will be obvious from the timing. Thirteen years of reliable data with no established causality to The Pause equals BBC spouting warmist carp as usual.
For finishers, Potemra and other researchers have looked at sea level data (TOPEX Poseidon) and link modest changes to El Nino and local flow dynamics, particularly the Lombok strait. With strong (natural) El Nino events in 2010 and 2015/16 within the extremely small dataset, the biased beeb couldn't say if a rising level of Sop Buntut wax manmade or not.
Propaganda central strikes again.
Not sure about that. All the scrabbling about he needs to do to check stuff and come back with his devastating retorts must take an enormous amount of time. I reckon he's being fed by professionals at Calamity Central.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
mybrainhurts said:
Not sure about that. All the scrabbling about he needs to do to check stuff and come back with his devastating retorts must take an enormous amount of time. I reckon he's being fed by professionals at Calamity Central.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Always find it strange when anybody conceals what line of work they do/did.Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
mybrainhurts said:
Not sure about that. All the scrabbling about he needs to do to check stuff and come back with his devastating retorts must take an enormous amount of time. I reckon he's being fed by professionals at Calamity Central.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Hang on. Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Turbospam's on here monitoring the thread every minute of the day. 450-odd posts per month on one forum over 15 years. I wonder what his contribution to the UK economy is? Also, I did ask what work he has had published as opposed to just copy/pasting into this forum from various other sources. I got fobbed-off & the question was not answered directly.
You could just as easily level your ad hominem to your pal 'spam.
zygalski said:
mybrainhurts said:
Not sure about that. All the scrabbling about he needs to do to check stuff and come back with his devastating retorts must take an enormous amount of time. I reckon he's being fed by professionals at Calamity Central.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Hang on. Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Turbospam's on here monitoring the thread every minute of the day. 450-odd posts per month on one forum over 15 years. I wonder what his contribution to the UK economy is? Also, I did ask what work he has had published as opposed to just copy/pasting into this forum from various other sources. I got fobbed-off & the question was not answered directly.
You could just as easily level your ad hominem to your pal 'spam.
Personal attacks is all warmists have left.
If only they could be original, with an element of humour. Unfortumately the ad hom stuff is as dour and dumb as anything faith-related we're lucky enough
to read.
I doubt I was alone, following the BBC's utter drivel on sea levels in and around Indonesia, in waiting for an in-depth critique of papers from Potemra, Lukas, Hautala etc from durbster and zygalski, along with the political motivation behind whatever shallow (no pun intended) hatchet job we were served up, as things stand we got the umpteenth attrition loop on how to post boring cheap shots. Anyone would think the faithful are completely clueless as far as the literature is concerned and have to rely on merely parroting soundbites - then when that fails, dishing out dreck. Evidence-based observations ^.
If only they could be original, with an element of humour. Unfortumately the ad hom stuff is as dour and dumb as anything faith-related we're lucky enough
to read. I doubt I was alone, following the BBC's utter drivel on sea levels in and around Indonesia, in waiting for an in-depth critique of papers from Potemra, Lukas, Hautala etc from durbster and zygalski, along with the political motivation behind whatever shallow (no pun intended) hatchet job we were served up, as things stand we got the umpteenth attrition loop on how to post boring cheap shots. Anyone would think the faithful are completely clueless as far as the literature is concerned and have to rely on merely parroting soundbites - then when that fails, dishing out dreck. Evidence-based observations ^.
On-topic: Saint Obama 
stashed $77bn across agencies, trying to avoid cuts via his climate fairytales integration project, says Bloomberg.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-0...
Cut
to the present - Trump has promised to save $100 billion over eight years by cutting all federal climate spending. Excellent; get cracking young Donald!
stashed $77bn across agencies, trying to avoid cuts via his climate fairytales integration project, says Bloomberg.https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-0...
Cut
to the present - Trump has promised to save $100 billion over eight years by cutting all federal climate spending. Excellent; get cracking young Donald!turbobloke said:
On-topic: Saint Obama stashed $77bn across agencies, trying to avoid cuts via his climate fairytales integration project, says Bloomberg.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-0...
Cut to the present - Trump has promised to save $100 billion over eight years by cutting all federal climate spending. Excellent; get cracking young Donald!
Easy. Just reduce their budgets by 10% until they cough up the value of the CC content! stashed $77bn across agencies, trying to avoid cuts via his climate fairytales integration project, says Bloomberg.https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-0...
Cut
to the present - Trump has promised to save $100 billion over eight years by cutting all federal climate spending. Excellent; get cracking young Donald!zygalski said:
mybrainhurts said:
Not sure about that. All the scrabbling about he needs to do to check stuff and come back with his devastating retorts must take an enormous amount of time. I reckon he's being fed by professionals at Calamity Central.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Hang on. Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Turbospam's on here monitoring the thread every minute of the day. 450-odd posts per month on one forum over 15 years. I wonder what his contribution to the UK economy is? Also, I did ask what work he has had published as opposed to just copy/pasting into this forum from various other sources. I got fobbed-off & the question was not answered directly.
You could just as easily level your ad hominem to your pal 'spam.
Beebs CC puff piece
'Extreme and unusual' climate trends continue after record 2016
In the atmosphere, the seas and around the poles, climate change is reaching disturbing new levels across the Earth.
That's according to a detailed global analysis from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO).
It says that 2016 was not only the warmest year on record, but it saw atmospheric CO2 rise to a new high, while Arctic sea ice recorded a new winter low.
The "extreme and unusual" conditions have continued in 2017, it says.
Reports earlier this year from major scientific bodies - including the UK's Met Office, Nasa and NOAA - indicated that 2016 was the warmest year on record.
Note the word 'indicated'. Maybe guess would also be appropriate
Anyway, compared with the 1961-1990 reference period !!! Wow, we're doomed !!
"Even without a strong El Niño in 2017, we are seeing other remarkable changes across the planet that are challenging the limits of our understanding of the climate system. We are now in truly uncharted territory," said David Carlson, World Climate Research Programme Director at the WMO.
Interpreted as we haven't clue. We're guessing. Again.
The killer though !!
"The WMO's statement on the 2016 climate leaves no room for doubt. The much-hyped warming hiatus is over - and the 'missing' heat energy didn't go missing at all. Instead, that heat went into the ocean, and we got much of it back again last year," said Dr Phil Williamson, from the University of East Anglia.
"Human-driven climate change is now an empirically verifiable fact, combining year-to-year variability with the consequences of our release of extra greenhouse gases. Those who dispute that link are not sceptics, but anti-science deniers."
Maybe TB could ask him for the 'empirically verifiable' data then ? And when is he going to claim the $100,000 ?
'Extreme and unusual' climate trends continue after record 2016
In the atmosphere, the seas and around the poles, climate change is reaching disturbing new levels across the Earth.
That's according to a detailed global analysis from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO).
It says that 2016 was not only the warmest year on record, but it saw atmospheric CO2 rise to a new high, while Arctic sea ice recorded a new winter low.
The "extreme and unusual" conditions have continued in 2017, it says.
Reports earlier this year from major scientific bodies - including the UK's Met Office, Nasa and NOAA - indicated that 2016 was the warmest year on record.
Note the word 'indicated'. Maybe guess would also be appropriate
Anyway, compared with the 1961-1990 reference period !!! Wow, we're doomed !!
"Even without a strong El Niño in 2017, we are seeing other remarkable changes across the planet that are challenging the limits of our understanding of the climate system. We are now in truly uncharted territory," said David Carlson, World Climate Research Programme Director at the WMO.
Interpreted as we haven't clue. We're guessing. Again.
The killer though !!
"The WMO's statement on the 2016 climate leaves no room for doubt. The much-hyped warming hiatus is over - and the 'missing' heat energy didn't go missing at all. Instead, that heat went into the ocean, and we got much of it back again last year," said Dr Phil Williamson, from the University of East Anglia.
"Human-driven climate change is now an empirically verifiable fact, combining year-to-year variability with the consequences of our release of extra greenhouse gases. Those who dispute that link are not sceptics, but anti-science deniers."
Maybe TB could ask him for the 'empirically verifiable' data then ? And when is he going to claim the $100,000 ?
WMO? No vested interest there.
Also, 2016 wasn't the warmest year on record, it was statistically inseparable from another year not too long ago.
The use of Karl ship intakes within the diddled temperature record wasn't mentioned, that came as a surprise (!) and the rest follows suit.
Dreck.
Also, 2016 wasn't the warmest year on record, it was statistically inseparable from another year not too long ago.
The use of Karl ship intakes within the diddled temperature record wasn't mentioned, that came as a surprise (!) and the rest follows suit.
Dreck.
LongQ said:
robinessex said:
Germany to push for carbon price at G20:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3929...
Germany to push for carbon price at G20
Germany will use its G20 Presidency to nudge world leaders towards a global price on carbon, according to its director general of energy policy.
Thorsten Herdan told BBC News that the world can’t stabilise CO2 emissions without making polluters pay.
Mr Herdan, of the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy, said if renewables got cheaper still, the market would respond by dropping the coal price more.
Some of President Trump’s advisers have argued that any carbon price should be fixed at zero to reflect the benefits of fossil fuels.
But German Chancellor Angela Merkel is expected to try to persuade President Trump that the world is moving towards clean energy.
Mr Herdan said that the German government was preparing research that would reveal that business is showing huge support for a transition towards a low carbon economy.
It will be presented at the G20 in Hamburg in July, when climate change and sustainable development will be among a handful of major themes.
So, an artificial value on a substance that has not been shown to be off any significance what so ever in the CC fairy tail. Never mind, keep following the money.
Tulip economies if they agree to it.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3929...
Germany to push for carbon price at G20
Germany will use its G20 Presidency to nudge world leaders towards a global price on carbon, according to its director general of energy policy.
Thorsten Herdan told BBC News that the world can’t stabilise CO2 emissions without making polluters pay.
Mr Herdan, of the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy, said if renewables got cheaper still, the market would respond by dropping the coal price more.
Some of President Trump’s advisers have argued that any carbon price should be fixed at zero to reflect the benefits of fossil fuels.
But German Chancellor Angela Merkel is expected to try to persuade President Trump that the world is moving towards clean energy.
Mr Herdan said that the German government was preparing research that would reveal that business is showing huge support for a transition towards a low carbon economy.
It will be presented at the G20 in Hamburg in July, when climate change and sustainable development will be among a handful of major themes.
So, an artificial value on a substance that has not been shown to be off any significance what so ever in the CC fairy tail. Never mind, keep following the money.
We know that gas is the only real prospect for the forseeable future and this legislation will price cheaper coal out of the market and open the door for the gas industry to grow.
IOC's win, win, win!!
robinessex said:
zygalski said:
mybrainhurts said:
Not sure about that. All the scrabbling about he needs to do to check stuff and come back with his devastating retorts must take an enormous amount of time. I reckon he's being fed by professionals at Calamity Central.
Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Hang on. Unless he's out if a job, of course. I keep asking him what he does, but he never replies.
Turbospam's on here monitoring the thread every minute of the day. 450-odd posts per month on one forum over 15 years. I wonder what his contribution to the UK economy is? Also, I did ask what work he has had published as opposed to just copy/pasting into this forum from various other sources. I got fobbed-off & the question was not answered directly.
You could just as easily level your ad hominem to your pal 'spam.
Talking of published works, how's Charlie Boy doing with his Ladybird Expert title?
Is it in the Remainder shops yet? Bit too early I suppose.
How sad.
The original Ladybird books were so successful because they were truly informative and at the same time could be amusing.
Charlie Boy's only fits the latter!
what could possibly have gone wrong with the pal review - ooops metaphorical slip of the tongue there.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff