Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[mybrainhurts]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/04/vatican-urg...

Holy smoke CO2, batman...the Vatical has a climate spokesman.

Nobody expected that....beware the Inquisition...

[durbster]

mybrainhurts said:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/04/vatican-urg...

Holy smoke CO2, batman...the Vatical has a climate spokesman.

Nobody expected that....beware the Inquisition...

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

[grumbledoak]

durbster said:

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

The Catholic church accepts quite a few things that I will not. Like God's existence despite the complete lack of proof.

And buggering the choirboys.

[turbobloke]

durbster said:

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

As in, one religion depending on faith aligning itself with another religion depending on faith.

True belief spawns true belief; seems entirely reasonable with no science involved.

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 7th April 08:33

[LongQ]

durbster said:

mybrainhurts said:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/04/vatican-urg...

Holy smoke CO2, batman...the Vatical has a climate spokesman.

Nobody expected that....beware the Inquisition...

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

It's a question of infallibility durbster.

Get something wrong, mess with the existence of a lot of humans, pass the blame off elsewhere.

This being the politics thread it's probably worth observing that many "Senior Government Advisors" appear to honour such traits and a few of them are all about Science we are told. Presumably they are Political Scientists.

Presumably in the fairly near future the Vatican will issue a decree regarding family sizes in line with "carbon" targets.

[zygalski]

turbobloke said:

grumbledoak said:

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

As in, one religion depending on faith aligning itself with another religion depending on faith.

True belief spawns true belief; seems entirely reasonable with no science involved.

Faith in the consensus or the cult of denial.

[turbobloke]

zygalski said:

turbobloke said:

durbster said:

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

As in, one religion depending on faith aligning itself with another religion depending on faith.

True belief spawns true belief; seems entirely reasonable with no science involved.

Faith in the consensus or the cult of denial.

Faith is faith, the false consensus is false. Only a silly cult would fail to spot this.

Cook considered published papers and used a definition that mankind had caused most post-1950 warming. On this definition the true consensus among published scientific papers has been demonstrated to be only 0.3% not 97.1% as Cook claimed. Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined had explicitly concluded that mankind caused most of the warming since 1950. This claimed consensus is false.

The Doran survey also involved a 97% 'result' which came about from 10,256 questionnaires with only 3,146 respondents. Their responses were conveniently narrowed down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (chosen by the survey people) to give another false 97% consensus figure.

Attrition loops are loopy. Loop on baby!

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 7th April 08:33

[grumbledoak]

Can you guys sort out your quoting, please? Thx.

[turbobloke]

grumbledoak said:

Can you guys sort out your quoting, please? Thx.

Quite right - I've edited my posts.

Allegedly, non-existent manmade global warming caused Haymarket to adopt a single skin for PH, and quoting suffered as a result. The cost of this suffering wasn't included in the Stern Report - typical shoddy agw rowlocks.

[durbster]

turbobloke said:

True belief spawns true belief; seems entirely reasonable with no science involved.

Indeed it does. This thread is testament to that.

[LongQ]

durbster said:

turbobloke said:

True belief spawns true belief; seems entirely reasonable with no science involved.

Indeed it does. This thread is testament to that.

This thread is about Politics.

Politics is a form of belief system although not necessarily a consistent one.

Transient views and variable support are the hallmarks of politics. It induces people to make poor decisions within their aura of power, sometimes without actually doing the job for which they were appointed it seems.

Are you a diesel car owner durbster?

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

durbster said:

turbobloke said:

True belief spawns true belief; seems entirely reasonable with no science involved.

Indeed it does. This thread is testament to that.

This thread is about Politics.

With occasional (!) reminders of a religious component via the true belief of true believers.

Talking of awol manmade global warming, there's more fake news and it's largely political.Phew.

Global Warming Caused Exxon Valdez Spill

And Exxon knew. Who knew

https://energyindepth.org/national/fake-news-exxon...

Three of the four opening four words provide an excellent summary of agw ramping: irrelevamt and desperate. A point by point dismantling of the latest guff follows.

[turbobloke]

Winters not Summers Increase Mortality and Stress the Economy

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool

[mybrainhurts]

durbster said:

mybrainhurts said:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/04/vatican-urg...

Holy smoke CO2, batman...the Vatican has a climate spokesman.

Nobody expected that....beware the Inquisition...

I know you lot are anti-science but it shows how embarrassingly weak your position is when even the Catholic church accepts something that you will not.

Have I got this right?

You're saying the failed theory of man made global warming is endorsed by the Ministry of Silly Frocks, therefore it is true...?

Your reasoning becomes more bizarre by the day...

[durbster]

mybrainhurts said:

Have I got this right?

No, but that's to be expected from the thread mascot.

[mybrainhurts]

durbster said:

mybrainhurts said:

Have I got this right?

No, but that's to be expected from the thread mascot.

You're a right little rascal, and no mistake...

[robinessex]

Todays Beeb CC puff story ;-

Great Barrier Reef: Two-thirds damaged in 'unprecedented' bleaching

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-39524196

Unprecedented coral bleaching in consecutive years has damaged two-thirds of Australia's Great Barrier Reef, aerial surveys have shown.
The bleaching - or loss of algae - affects a 1,500km (900 miles) stretch of the reef, according to scientists.
The latest damage is concentrated in the middle section, whereas last year's bleaching hit mainly the north.
Experts fear the proximity of the two events will give damaged coral little chance to recover.
Prof Terry Hughes, from James Cook University, said governments must urgently address climate change to prevent further bleaching.

Er, I thought others here had shown the coral bleaching is nothing to do with CC.

[turbobloke]

robinessex said:

Todays Beeb CC puff story ;-

Great Barrier Reef: Two-thirds damaged in 'unprecedented' bleaching

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-39524196

Unprecedented coral bleaching in consecutive years has damaged two-thirds of Australia's Great Barrier Reef, aerial surveys have shown.
The bleaching - or loss of algae - affects a 1,500km (900 miles) stretch of the reef, according to scientists.
The latest damage is concentrated in the middle section, whereas last year's bleaching hit mainly the north.
Experts fear the proximity of the two events will give damaged coral little chance to recover.
Prof Terry Hughes, from James Cook University, said governments must urgently address climate change to prevent further bleaching.
.

Nice one! Somebody should remind Tel that corals have survived for 500 million years during which time they've endured temperatures greater than the current era aka the Adjustocene.

It might be worth another reminder that healthy corals 'acidify' the oceans around them and thrive in these conditions. Tel may well want to look at results from Dr Andreas Andersson's team over at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography as posted in several PH climate threads.

The sweet spot in this tale of mankind's selfish greed and indifference innocence is that Andersson was at fiirst puzzled by the team's results due to the hype around coral reefs and ocean 'acidification' due to the conditioning it confers on scientists unwlling or unable to approach investigations with an open mind free from preconceptions. As a result, whenever a bell rings, such scientists salivate and shout "global warming!" before rushing off to complete another grant application.

Corals and marginal and natural dealkalination of the oceans represent the natural succcessor to Mann's jolly hockey stick.

[durbster]

turbobloke said:

Corals and marginal and natural dealkalination of the oceans represent the natural succcessor to Mann's jolly hockey stick.

It's remarkable how nature consistently goes along with the global warming scam. Do you think corals and oceans are in on the conspiracy?

[wc98]

durbster said:

turbobloke said:

Corals and marginal and natural dealkalination of the oceans represent the natural succcessor to Mann's jolly hockey stick.

It's remarkable how nature consistently goes along with the global warming scam. Do you think corals and oceans are in on the conspiracy?

dropping sea levels due to el nino along with increased periods of solar irradiance due to lower cloud cover,again a result of el nino are among many reasons for coral bleaching. note bleaching events occurred before the temperature threshold for temperature induced bleaching occurred .
i know you won't read this link, but others may be interested https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/falling-sea... lots of links contained within to studies surrounding the various phenomena linked to bleaching events .far too difficult for the virtue signalers at the bbc to parse,easier for them to pronounce "because co2 man made global warming" .