Who will win Stoke-on-Trent Central by-election, 2017

[turbobloke]

chow pan toon said:

JawKnee said:

Going by the general consensus on here before the election, it was nowhere near as bad as was being made out.

Nuclear lost it for Labour in Copeland. An issue which holds a lot less sway in the rest of the country. They won Stoke which is good news.

Far from the apocalypse many on here are hoping for.

I can't speak for anyone else on here but personally the last thing I want is a Labour apocalypse. The results on Thursday were perfect. Funny enough to have a laugh at Corbyn and his merry band but not bad enough so that he ends up out of a job...

Thank goodness for that. No Labour administration for a generation!

[dbdb]

This Government badly needs an effective opposition. It has not got one. A weak opposition does the country no favours, particularly when led by a Prime Minister such as Mrs May whose instincts are so authoritarian.

[chow pan toon]

turbobloke said:

chow pan toon said:

JawKnee said:

Going by the general consensus on here before the election, it was nowhere near as bad as was being made out.

Nuclear lost it for Labour in Copeland. An issue which holds a lot less sway in the rest of the country. They won Stoke which is good news.

Far from the apocalypse many on here are hoping for.

I can't speak for anyone else on here but personally the last thing I want is a Labour apocalypse. The results on Thursday were perfect. Funny enough to have a laugh at Corbyn and his merry band but not bad enough so that he ends up out of a job...

Thank goodness for that. No Labour administration for a generation!

[JawKnee]

johnxjsc1985 said:

JawKnee said:

Going by the general consensus on here before the election, it was nowhere near as bad as was being made out.

Nuclear lost it for Labour in Copeland. An issue which holds a lot less sway in the rest of the country. They won Stoke which is good news.

Far from the apocalypse many on here are hoping for.

losing an election you had previously won for the past 80 years is about as bad as you can get and even worse not to the Liberals or even UKIP but to the Government who happen to be Tory. Wake up your doing Labour no favours spouting the Corbyn ste that will leave the Party and more importantly the opposition decimated in 2020.

Over half the people on here thought UKIP would win Stoke so please excuse me if I take a truck load of salt with your prediction. It is most likely wrong.

[sparkythecat]

johnxjsc1985 said:

JawKnee said:

Going by the general consensus on here before the election, it was nowhere near as bad as was being made out.

Nuclear lost it for Labour in Copeland. An issue which holds a lot less sway in the rest of the country. They won Stoke which is good news.

Far from the apocalypse many on here are hoping for.

losing an election you had previously won for the past 80 years is about as bad as you can get and even worse not to the Liberals or even UKIP but to the Government who happen to be Tory. Wake up your doing Labour no favours spouting the Corbyn ste that will leave the Party and more importantly the opposition decimated in 2020.

[turbobloke]

JawKnee said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

JawKnee said:

Going by the general consensus on here before the election, it was nowhere near as bad as was being made out.

Nuclear lost it for Labour in Copeland. An issue which holds a lot less sway in the rest of the country. They won Stoke which is good news.

Far from the apocalypse many on here are hoping for.

losing an election you had previously won for the past 80 years is about as bad as you can get and even worse not to the Liberals or even UKIP but to the Government who happen to be Tory. Wake up your doing Labour no favours spouting the Corbyn ste that will leave the Party and more importantly the opposition decimated in 2020.

Over half the people on here thought UKIP would win Stoke so please excuse me if I take a truck load of salt with your prediction. It is most likely wrong.

Firstly you don't know whether johnxjsc1985's prediction matched the option number you quoted from a poll, and even if it did, two predictions from one person aren't inviolably related (in terms of success) in the way being claimed. In effect, there was nothing in your post that hit the mark or came anywhere near it. At least you were able to laugh about it.

[JawKnee]

turbobloke said:

JawKnee said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

JawKnee said:

Going by the general consensus on here before the election, it was nowhere near as bad as was being made out.

Nuclear lost it for Labour in Copeland. An issue which holds a lot less sway in the rest of the country. They won Stoke which is good news.

Far from the apocalypse many on here are hoping for.

losing an election you had previously won for the past 80 years is about as bad as you can get and even worse not to the Liberals or even UKIP but to the Government who happen to be Tory. Wake up your doing Labour no favours spouting the Corbyn ste that will leave the Party and more importantly the opposition decimated in 2020.

Over half the people on here thought UKIP would win Stoke so please excuse me if I take a truck load of salt with your prediction. It is most likely wrong.

Firstly you don't know whether johnxjsc1985's prediction matched the option number you quoted from a poll, and even if it did, two predictions from one person aren't inviolably related (in terms of success) in the way being claimed. In effect, there was nothing in your post that hit the mark or came anywhere near it.

PistonHeads in being hopelessly wrong again shocker! Not like that's ever happened before... Remind me how long that "The Euro is about to implode" thread has been going now?

So yea, in all likelihood he's wrong.

Labour will be fine.

[Kermit power]

dbdb said:

This Government badly needs an effective opposition. It has not got one. A weak opposition does the country no favours, particularly when led by a Prime Minister such as Mrs May whose instincts are so authoritarian.

If it sorts out the country's finances and repairs the damage done by all previous administrations since 1996, I'm all for a bit of authoritarianism.

Granted, I'd be happier if she could find a cuter proxy to wield the whip and wear the leather trousers, but I'd rather a weak opposition to NO opposition, which is what we'd had for the last two decades, given that you couldn't slide a fag paper between the three main parties.

[IanH755]

JawKnee said:

Over half the people on here thought UKIP would win Stoke so please excuse me if I take a truck load of salt with your prediction. It is most likely wrong.

Over half would have been right too if UKIP hadn't imploded so stupidly. As a Stokey we generally liked UKIP at the start of campaigning until Nuttal appeared as most "floating" voters dislike him as a person. So it wasn't so much a vote "against" UKIP itself just it's moron of a leader.

[Sylvaforever]

IanH755 said:

Over half would have been right too if UKIP hadn't imploded so stupidly. As a Stokey we generally liked UKIP at the start of campaigning until Nuttal appeared as most "floating" voters dislike him as a person. So it wasn't so much a vote "against" UKIP itself just it's moron of a leader.

I can't say I blame them.

[ATG]

dbdb said:

This Government badly needs an effective opposition. It has not got one. A weak opposition does the country no favours, particularly when led by a Prime Minister such as Mrs May whose instincts are so authoritarian.

As a paid up member of the Conservative party, I tend to agree. May wouldn't have been my first choice ... except in a competition with Leadsom.

I'm very pleased to see UKIP doing so badly. They are a shambles of a party with a simplistic and unpleasant message. They deserve to fail.

[dbdb]

Kermit power said:

dbdb said:

This Government badly needs an effective opposition. It has not got one. A weak opposition does the country no favours, particularly when led by a Prime Minister such as Mrs May whose instincts are so authoritarian.

If it sorts out the country's finances and repairs the damage done by all previous administrations since 1996, I'm all for a bit of authoritarianism.

Granted, I'd be happier if she could find a cuter proxy to wield the whip and wear the leather trousers, but I'd rather a weak opposition to NO opposition, which is what we'd had for the last two decades, given that you couldn't slide a fag paper between the three main parties.

The 'Snooper's Charter' and proposed new Espionage act are brazen attempts to control the population and particularly journalists with the tactics of fear and seriously curtail the accountability and transparency of the Government. No good will come of this for anyone except the executive itself. Some people say Margret Thatcher was 'authoritarian' when they mean that she could get things done against opposition. That to me is not authoritarianism, no matter how much of a bulldozer Margret Thatcher could be. Mrs Thatcher's instinct was fundamentally libertarian; she did not see it as the state's job to control people. Mrs May is different and I find this deeply troubling.

[johnxjsc1985]

JawKnee said:

PistonHeads in being hopelessly wrong again shocker! Not like that's ever happened before... Remind me how long that "The Euro is about to implode" thread has been going now?

So yea, in all likelihood he's wrong.

Labour will be fine.

keep posting them smiley's its all you have left in terms of defending what used to be the party of the working man.

[turbobloke]

JawKnee said:

Labour will be fine.

All the signs are that Labour under Corbyn want to exist as a protest party akin to sixth-form student activism, as such being in the political widerness with no realistic hope of winning a general election isn't a problem and it may well be that Labour will be fine in opposition for a generation. It's certainly fine by me.

[king arthur]

JawKnee said:

Labour will be fine.

I don't suppose you're old enough to remember Michael Foot, are you?

[johnxjsc1985]

king arthur said:

I don't suppose you're old enough to remember Michael Foot, are you?

actually making Michael Foot look like a class act is quite achievement.